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		<title>By: Wickle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The goal shouldn’t be self-esteem, but rather recognizing our utter helplessness – our spiritual poverty,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Exactly!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If we don&#039;t get our helplessness, then we don&#039;t get why we need grace. If we don&#039;t see the need for grace, we don&#039;t think we need Jesus.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which means that we&#039;re wrong, and not open to the Truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The goal shouldn’t be self-esteem, but rather recognizing our utter helplessness – our spiritual poverty,</i></p>
<p>Exactly!</p>
<p>If we don&#39;t get our helplessness, then we don&#39;t get why we need grace. If we don&#39;t see the need for grace, we don&#39;t think we need Jesus.</p>
<p>Which means that we&#39;re wrong, and not open to the Truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Vander Hart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Vander Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately the watering down isn&#039;t happening just in secular society, but in the church as well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess with the focus on the OT and Revelations - that hasn&#039;t been my experience, but you are right we need the whole counsel of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately the watering down isn&#39;t happening just in secular society, but in the church as well.</p>
<p>I guess with the focus on the OT and Revelations &#8211; that hasn&#39;t been my experience, but you are right we need the whole counsel of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Terri Mackenzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terri Mackenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s gratifying to see any sort of truly Christ-centered discussion these days.  Not to offend anyone, this is clearly my own, perhaps misguided opinion, but it seems to me that too often the focus these days is on Old Testament and Revelations. . .not so much on the Word, the spreading of the Gospel by Christ and the Apostles.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for sin?  Yes, I despair at the secular watering down of the concept.  At the same time, i also despair at the laser like focus which some Christians occupy most of their time and attention on only one or two &#039;big&#039; sins, having to do mostly with sexuality issues, which is important, but which hardly  dominated, or was at the heart of, Christ&#039;s message.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would like to see recognition of sin restored to its rightful scope in all of its dastardly forms; Capital &#039;S&#039; Sin: selfishness, greed, hatefulness, power-grabbing at the expense of others. . .you know the list and it is long and affects all of us, not just a few subgroups, to whom it is easy to point one&#039;s finger if one considers oneself &#039;above&#039; whatever sin they are committing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You know, the old Log/Speck argument.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Looking at my coffee this morning. . .hmmn, quite a few specks floating around in there. . .anybody got a log I can borrow to fish them out with?? Seem to have lost mine!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s gratifying to see any sort of truly Christ-centered discussion these days.  Not to offend anyone, this is clearly my own, perhaps misguided opinion, but it seems to me that too often the focus these days is on Old Testament and Revelations. . .not so much on the Word, the spreading of the Gospel by Christ and the Apostles.</p>
<p>As for sin?  Yes, I despair at the secular watering down of the concept.  At the same time, i also despair at the laser like focus which some Christians occupy most of their time and attention on only one or two &#39;big&#39; sins, having to do mostly with sexuality issues, which is important, but which hardly  dominated, or was at the heart of, Christ&#39;s message.  </p>
<p>I would like to see recognition of sin restored to its rightful scope in all of its dastardly forms; Capital &#39;S&#39; Sin: selfishness, greed, hatefulness, power-grabbing at the expense of others. . .you know the list and it is long and affects all of us, not just a few subgroups, to whom it is easy to point one&#39;s finger if one considers oneself &#39;above&#39; whatever sin they are committing.</p>
<p>You know, the old Log/Speck argument.</p>
<p>Looking at my coffee this morning. . .hmmn, quite a few specks floating around in there. . .anybody got a log I can borrow to fish them out with?? Seem to have lost mine!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Vander Hart</title>
		<link>http://caffeinatedthoughts.com/?p=2380&#038;cpage=1#comment-5670</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Vander Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is pretty frustrating.  I see it all the time in the juvenile justice system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is pretty frustrating.  I see it all the time in the juvenile justice system.</p>
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		<title>By: RickD335</title>
		<link>http://caffeinatedthoughts.com/?p=2380&#038;cpage=1#comment-5669</link>
		<dc:creator>RickD335</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one gets me right... here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My wife has been a counseling psychologist for years, but as she&#039;s gotten deeper into her walk, she&#039;s become mostly a non-practicing psychologist - scoring tests for a treatment center and seeing a single client. Part of the reason she&#039;s gotten out of the field was how the insurance system works - in order to get paid, you need to give the companies a diagnosis &lt;em&gt;quickly&lt;/em&gt; - in most cases long before you may know what the most accurate diagnosis is. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The other dominant reason is that the profession is not geared to deal with sin issues - where there is a valid mental health issue, by all means diagnose it and treat it, whether that means psychotherapy, medication, a combination of the two, or some other modality. Once the mental illness has been addressed, however, the choice to submit one&#039;s will and one&#039;s life to the care of God is back in the heart of the individual. Insurance companies won&#039;t pay for spiritual solutions - probably a good thing - but in the meantime, those who need real help don&#039;t get it, and the culture we live in perpetuates the blame game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one gets me right&#8230; here.</p>
<p>My wife has been a counseling psychologist for years, but as she&#39;s gotten deeper into her walk, she&#39;s become mostly a non-practicing psychologist &#8211; scoring tests for a treatment center and seeing a single client. Part of the reason she&#39;s gotten out of the field was how the insurance system works &#8211; in order to get paid, you need to give the companies a diagnosis <em>quickly</em> &#8211; in most cases long before you may know what the most accurate diagnosis is. </p>
<p>The other dominant reason is that the profession is not geared to deal with sin issues &#8211; where there is a valid mental health issue, by all means diagnose it and treat it, whether that means psychotherapy, medication, a combination of the two, or some other modality. Once the mental illness has been addressed, however, the choice to submit one&#39;s will and one&#39;s life to the care of God is back in the heart of the individual. Insurance companies won&#39;t pay for spiritual solutions &#8211; probably a good thing &#8211; but in the meantime, those who need real help don&#39;t get it, and the culture we live in perpetuates the blame game.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Vander Hart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Vander Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW what&#039;s your blog URL?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW what&#39;s your blog URL?</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Vander Hart</title>
		<link>http://caffeinatedthoughts.com/?p=2380&#038;cpage=1#comment-5667</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Vander Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saved the picture on my computer and uploaded to my website and then linked to HuckPAC.  I was having the same problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saved the picture on my computer and uploaded to my website and then linked to HuckPAC.  I was having the same problem.</p>
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		<title>By: kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great site! Thanks for putting the Compassion widget on your site!  (I volunteer for them.)  Also, I want the Huckabee one on my Wordpress site but when I put it on it says they removed the image....is there something special you did to get this on your site?  I use &lt;a href=&quot;http://wordpress.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wordpress.com&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great site! Thanks for putting the Compassion widget on your site!  (I volunteer for them.)  Also, I want the Huckabee one on my WordPress site but when I put it on it says they removed the image&#8230;.is there something special you did to get this on your site?  I use <a href="http://wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">wordpress.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Vander Hart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Vander Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen that before as well.  Crazy, but as long as they feel good about themselves it&#039;s ok... right? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve seen that before as well.  Crazy, but as long as they feel good about themselves it&#39;s ok&#8230; right? <img src='http://caffeinatedthoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh another great one, today I ate lunch with my wife and kids at Burger King(yes not the best of places, but close to the jobsite) today and saw some construction worker trying to fill his outside mt dew bottle with burger kings coke and he just brushed it off when the manager confronted him about it. It&#039;s like uhhh stealing???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh another great one, today I ate lunch with my wife and kids at Burger King(yes not the best of places, but close to the jobsite) today and saw some construction worker trying to fill his outside mt dew bottle with burger kings coke and he just brushed it off when the manager confronted him about it. It&#39;s like uhhh stealing???</p>
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