This is one of Mark Driscoll’s earlier quotes.  To give you a proper context – what follows is not the only way he views Jesus, but providing a contrast with the theological left wing of the emerging church movement (Emergent Village).

There is a strong drift toward the hard theological left. Some emergent types want to recast Jesus as a limp-wrist hippie in a dress with a lot of product in His hair, who drank decaf and made pithy Zen statements about life while shopping for the perfect pair of shoes. In Revelation, Jesus is a prize fighter with a tattoo down His leg, a sword in His hand and the commitment to make someone BLEED. That is a guy I can worship. I cannot worship the hippie, diaper, halo Christ because I cannot worship a guy I can beat up. I fear some are becoming more cultural than Christian, and without a big Jesus who has authority and hates sin as revealed in the Bible, we will have less and less Christians and more and more confused, spiritually self-righteous blogger critics of Christianity.

What do you think?  Accurate?  Fightin’ words?  Spot on?  Is he drinking kool aid?

HT: Steve Laughlin

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  1. “In Revelation, Jesus is a prize fighter with a tattoo down His leg, a sword in His hand and the commitment to make someone BLEED. That is a guy I can worship” (Driscoll)

    I don’t understand why this is a guy he would want to even follow, never mind worship? If this is statement he makes is his true belief – then I wonder what type of Christian he thinks we should be…’fighter’ ‘weapon/sword’ ‘make someone bleed’? That’s truly the next question I would ask.

    “I cannot worship the hippie, diaper, halo Christ because I cannot worship a guy I can beat up.” (Driscoll)

    Thank God he wasn’t at the crucifixion – wow.

    “I fear some are becoming more cultural than Christian” (Driscoll)

    You think Mark? That statement from Revelations is from another place and time – but it sure isn’t from his time upon earth (context is truly the key here). What is missed in that quote is that Jesus expects us to follow his example ‘on earth’ and the way he lived (is this not true?) – Revelations doesn’t even really figure into the ‘gospel’ teachings – being an apocalyptic letter. Oddly, enough the Jesus that walked earth gave us some teachings for humanity that utterly contradict his statement about the ‘Jesus’ he would worship…I almost feel like he needs to truly study war in the 20th century and some of the figures that also have a ‘committment to make someone BLEED’.

    “without a big Jesus who has authority and hates sin as revealed in the Bible, we will have less and less Christians and more and more confused, spiritually self-righteous blogger critics of Christianity.” (Driscoll)

    I disagree with Mark – being one of the many bloggers that are using their mind to shape this faith as we see from both historical contexts and biblical teachings – and yes – a lot of us disagree with mainstream faith which is absolutely starving for a change.

    If there is confusion – the confusion actually doesn’t sit with the emergent side alone but with the doctrinal teachings of many churches which find their beliefs influenced by the reformation (including the Catholics). We have so many people that teach things about Jesus that are so outside his character in the gospels it needs to be re-addressed in a serious way. Top that off, how many Christians are studying Jewish ideas – which massly influenced what Jesus himself taught and based his teahcings upon (ie: the Tanakh).

    Driscoll’s statement is a joke.

  2. “In Revelation, Jesus is a prize fighter with a tattoo down His leg, a sword in His hand and the commitment to make someone BLEED. That is a guy I can worship” (Driscoll)

    I don’t understand why this is a guy he would want to even follow, never mind worship? If this is statement he makes is his true belief – then I wonder what type of Christian he thinks we should be…’fighter’ ‘weapon/sword’ ‘make someone bleed’? That’s truly the next question I would ask.

    “I cannot worship the hippie, diaper, halo Christ because I cannot worship a guy I can beat up.” (Driscoll)

    Thank God he wasn’t at the crucifixion – wow.

    “I fear some are becoming more cultural than Christian” (Driscoll)

    You think Mark? That statement from Revelations is from another place and time – but it sure isn’t from his time upon earth (context is truly the key here). What is missed in that quote is that Jesus expects us to follow his example ‘on earth’ and the way he lived (is this not true?) – Revelations doesn’t even really figure into the ‘gospel’ teachings – being an apocalyptic letter. Oddly, enough the Jesus that walked earth gave us some teachings for humanity that utterly contradict his statement about the ‘Jesus’ he would worship…I almost feel like he needs to truly study war in the 20th century and some of the figures that also have a ‘committment to make someone BLEED’.

    “without a big Jesus who has authority and hates sin as revealed in the Bible, we will have less and less Christians and more and more confused, spiritually self-righteous blogger critics of Christianity.” (Driscoll)

    I disagree with Mark – being one of the many bloggers that are using their mind to shape this faith as we see from both historical contexts and biblical teachings – and yes – a lot of us disagree with mainstream faith which is absolutely starving for a change.

    If there is confusion – the confusion actually doesn’t sit with the emergent side alone but with the doctrinal teachings of many churches which find their beliefs influenced by the reformation (including the Catholics). We have so many people that teach things about Jesus that are so outside his character in the gospels it needs to be re-addressed in a serious way. Top that off, how many Christians are studying Jewish ideas – which massly influenced what Jesus himself taught and based his teahcings upon (ie: the Tanakh).

    Driscoll’s statement is a joke.

  3. “In Revelation, Jesus is a prize fighter with a tattoo down His leg, a sword in His hand and the commitment to make someone BLEED. That is a guy I can worship” (Driscoll)

    I don’t understand why this is a guy he would want to even follow, never mind worship? If this is statement he makes is his true belief – then I wonder what type of Christian he thinks we should be…’fighter’ ‘weapon/sword’ ‘make someone bleed’? That’s truly the next question I would ask.

    “I cannot worship the hippie, diaper, halo Christ because I cannot worship a guy I can beat up.” (Driscoll)

    Thank God he wasn’t at the crucifixion – wow.

    “I fear some are becoming more cultural than Christian” (Driscoll)

    You think Mark? That statement from Revelations is from another place and time – but it sure isn’t from his time upon earth (context is truly the key here). What is missed in that quote is that Jesus expects us to follow his example ‘on earth’ and the way he lived (is this not true?) – Revelations doesn’t even really figure into the ‘gospel’ teachings – being an apocalyptic letter. Oddly, enough the Jesus that walked earth gave us some teachings for humanity that utterly contradict his statement about the ‘Jesus’ he would worship…I almost feel like he needs to truly study war in the 20th century and some of the figures that also have a ‘committment to make someone BLEED’.

    “without a big Jesus who has authority and hates sin as revealed in the Bible, we will have less and less Christians and more and more confused, spiritually self-righteous blogger critics of Christianity.” (Driscoll)

    I disagree with Mark – being one of the many bloggers that are using their mind to shape this faith as we see from both historical contexts and biblical teachings – and yes – a lot of us disagree with mainstream faith which is absolutely starving for a change.

    If there is confusion – the confusion actually doesn’t sit with the emergent side alone but with the doctrinal teachings of many churches which find their beliefs influenced by the reformation (including the Catholics). We have so many people that teach things about Jesus that are so outside his character in the gospels it needs to be re-addressed in a serious way. Top that off, how many Christians are studying Jewish ideas – which massly influenced what Jesus himself taught and based his teahcings upon (ie: the Tanakh).

    Driscoll’s statement is a joke.

  4. I don’t think he’s spot on but I don’t think he’s a Kool Aid drinker either.

    My point – I agree with him there is a trend to make Jesus this non-judgemental-love-thy-neighbor character while ignoring the rest. The most often sited story is when Jesus comes to the rescue of the woman who is about to be stoned. “He who is without sin let him cast the first stone…” That’s suppose to stop us in our tracks anytime we want to pass judgment or offer comment on anyone else’s decisions (lifestyle or otherwise). What I find funny is they always skip the last line of the story. After the crowd dispersed Jesus turned to the woman and said, “Now go and sin no more.” In other words, don’t embrace your sin, turn from it. Yes you are forgiven but now strive to do what is right even if you fall again.

    Jesus said, “Let the little children come unto me…” so he does have a warm and gentle side. But he also said, “I am the way, the truth and the light. No man comes to the Father but by me…” and “I come not to bring peace but to divide the world….” If those aren’t fighting words, I don’t know what are.

  5. I don’t think he’s spot on but I don’t think he’s a Kool Aid drinker either.

    My point – I agree with him there is a trend to make Jesus this non-judgemental-love-thy-neighbor character while ignoring the rest. The most often sited story is when Jesus comes to the rescue of the woman who is about to be stoned. “He who is without sin let him cast the first stone…” That’s suppose to stop us in our tracks anytime we want to pass judgment or offer comment on anyone else’s decisions (lifestyle or otherwise). What I find funny is they always skip the last line of the story. After the crowd dispersed Jesus turned to the woman and said, “Now go and sin no more.” In other words, don’t embrace your sin, turn from it. Yes you are forgiven but now strive to do what is right even if you fall again.

    Jesus said, “Let the little children come unto me…” so he does have a warm and gentle side. But he also said, “I am the way, the truth and the light. No man comes to the Father but by me…” and “I come not to bring peace but to divide the world….” If those aren’t fighting words, I don’t know what are.

  6. I don’t think he’s spot on but I don’t think he’s a Kool Aid drinker either.

    My point – I agree with him there is a trend to make Jesus this non-judgemental-love-thy-neighbor character while ignoring the rest. The most often sited story is when Jesus comes to the rescue of the woman who is about to be stoned. “He who is without sin let him cast the first stone…” That’s suppose to stop us in our tracks anytime we want to pass judgment or offer comment on anyone else’s decisions (lifestyle or otherwise). What I find funny is they always skip the last line of the story. After the crowd dispersed Jesus turned to the woman and said, “Now go and sin no more.” In other words, don’t embrace your sin, turn from it. Yes you are forgiven but now strive to do what is right even if you fall again.

    Jesus said, “Let the little children come unto me…” so he does have a warm and gentle side. But he also said, “I am the way, the truth and the light. No man comes to the Father but by me…” and “I come not to bring peace but to divide the world….” If those aren’t fighting words, I don’t know what are.

  7. “In other words, don’t embrace your sin, turn from it. Yes you are forgiven but now strive to do what is right even if you fall again” (DMG)

    I would say that approach you mention about Jesus is vastly different than the idea ‘with a committment to make someone bleed’…wouldn’t you? Actually if I wanted that kind of Jesus – in that John 8 scenario – what would Jesus honestly do if he was ‘seeking blood’? I am guessing the stones would of won out that day.

    “I agree with him there is a trend to make Jesus this non-judgemental-love-thy-neighbor character while ignoring the rest” (DMG)

    Hold on one second – name the only 2 commandments Jesus ever gave (how many times does love show up)? Then with what one sentence did Jesus sum up 39 Tanakh books with? The beatitudes in Matthew 5 have which 8 groups being blessed again?

    I don’t think people in the ‘God is love’ camp (including John who makes this God’s main characteristic) are all that far off to be honest. I am not saying God is not like a parent – this is likely true – but I would add ‘loving’ as an adjective there also. I’ll be honest – I have a tough time finding this God Driscoll talks about in Jesus’ words in the gospels – point blank. God may be a judge – but even that God would rather we did that to ourselves (Mathew 7:1-2) first and foremost.

    “If those aren’t fighting words, I don’t know what are.” (Des Moines)

    I am not sure they are fighting words – seems only within Christian circles they become fighting words. Jesus did argue with Jewish leaders a lot about his teachings – this seems evidently true – but I am not sure he called them on (even if at times he was angry with them). And I know for a biblical fact – Jesus never once approved of using the sword (a weapon of war) in any type of action against another. Jesus does not seem militaristic to me or someone ‘looking for blood’ – it just isn’t there.

    Fighting Words: ‘I am the way you bunch of idiots – why can’t you get that straight – if you got a problem with that – well bring it on – let’s settle this the old fashioned way – you bunch of winps’. (if any of this was accredited to Jesus – I would admit – fighing words). Jesus saying he is the ‘way’ is contentious but never gave him reason enough to hurt anyone.

  8. “In other words, don’t embrace your sin, turn from it. Yes you are forgiven but now strive to do what is right even if you fall again” (DMG)

    I would say that approach you mention about Jesus is vastly different than the idea ‘with a committment to make someone bleed’…wouldn’t you? Actually if I wanted that kind of Jesus – in that John 8 scenario – what would Jesus honestly do if he was ‘seeking blood’? I am guessing the stones would of won out that day.

    “I agree with him there is a trend to make Jesus this non-judgemental-love-thy-neighbor character while ignoring the rest” (DMG)

    Hold on one second – name the only 2 commandments Jesus ever gave (how many times does love show up)? Then with what one sentence did Jesus sum up 39 Tanakh books with? The beatitudes in Matthew 5 have which 8 groups being blessed again?

    I don’t think people in the ‘God is love’ camp (including John who makes this God’s main characteristic) are all that far off to be honest. I am not saying God is not like a parent – this is likely true – but I would add ‘loving’ as an adjective there also. I’ll be honest – I have a tough time finding this God Driscoll talks about in Jesus’ words in the gospels – point blank. God may be a judge – but even that God would rather we did that to ourselves (Mathew 7:1-2) first and foremost.

    “If those aren’t fighting words, I don’t know what are.” (Des Moines)

    I am not sure they are fighting words – seems only within Christian circles they become fighting words. Jesus did argue with Jewish leaders a lot about his teachings – this seems evidently true – but I am not sure he called them on (even if at times he was angry with them). And I know for a biblical fact – Jesus never once approved of using the sword (a weapon of war) in any type of action against another. Jesus does not seem militaristic to me or someone ‘looking for blood’ – it just isn’t there.

    Fighting Words: ‘I am the way you bunch of idiots – why can’t you get that straight – if you got a problem with that – well bring it on – let’s settle this the old fashioned way – you bunch of winps’. (if any of this was accredited to Jesus – I would admit – fighing words). Jesus saying he is the ‘way’ is contentious but never gave him reason enough to hurt anyone.

  9. “In other words, don’t embrace your sin, turn from it. Yes you are forgiven but now strive to do what is right even if you fall again” (DMG)

    I would say that approach you mention about Jesus is vastly different than the idea ‘with a committment to make someone bleed’…wouldn’t you? Actually if I wanted that kind of Jesus – in that John 8 scenario – what would Jesus honestly do if he was ‘seeking blood’? I am guessing the stones would of won out that day.

    “I agree with him there is a trend to make Jesus this non-judgemental-love-thy-neighbor character while ignoring the rest” (DMG)

    Hold on one second – name the only 2 commandments Jesus ever gave (how many times does love show up)? Then with what one sentence did Jesus sum up 39 Tanakh books with? The beatitudes in Matthew 5 have which 8 groups being blessed again?

    I don’t think people in the ‘God is love’ camp (including John who makes this God’s main characteristic) are all that far off to be honest. I am not saying God is not like a parent – this is likely true – but I would add ‘loving’ as an adjective there also. I’ll be honest – I have a tough time finding this God Driscoll talks about in Jesus’ words in the gospels – point blank. God may be a judge – but even that God would rather we did that to ourselves (Mathew 7:1-2) first and foremost.

    “If those aren’t fighting words, I don’t know what are.” (Des Moines)

    I am not sure they are fighting words – seems only within Christian circles they become fighting words. Jesus did argue with Jewish leaders a lot about his teachings – this seems evidently true – but I am not sure he called them on (even if at times he was angry with them). And I know for a biblical fact – Jesus never once approved of using the sword (a weapon of war) in any type of action against another. Jesus does not seem militaristic to me or someone ‘looking for blood’ – it just isn’t there.

    Fighting Words: ‘I am the way you bunch of idiots – why can’t you get that straight – if you got a problem with that – well bring it on – let’s settle this the old fashioned way – you bunch of winps’. (if any of this was accredited to Jesus – I would admit – fighing words). Jesus saying he is the ‘way’ is contentious but never gave him reason enough to hurt anyone.

  10. That whole propitiation idea is not one that I truly understand but I am willing to accept – but what does it mean? Do we accept that propitiation or is it already a ‘done deal’? See that’s where the discussion really begins on this issue – not about the blood and all that – that’s fine – but what it means to us in the 21st century America’s. Is the propitiation something that is covering all people of earth or just some (the acceptors)?

  11. That whole propitiation idea is not one that I truly understand but I am willing to accept – but what does it mean? Do we accept that propitiation or is it already a ‘done deal’? See that’s where the discussion really begins on this issue – not about the blood and all that – that’s fine – but what it means to us in the 21st century America’s. Is the propitiation something that is covering all people of earth or just some (the acceptors)?

  12. That whole propitiation idea is not one that I truly understand but I am willing to accept – but what does it mean? Do we accept that propitiation or is it already a ‘done deal’? See that’s where the discussion really begins on this issue – not about the blood and all that – that’s fine – but what it means to us in the 21st century America’s. Is the propitiation something that is covering all people of earth or just some (the acceptors)?

  13. For whatever it’s worth, I believe it is not enough to get our picture of Jesus only from the gospels. There is a whole lot more Bible than that. We have to look at the OT prophecies, the Epistles, and yes, Revelation. It is, after all, the “revelation of Jesus Christ”.

    Different people are uncomfortable with different facets of Jesus based on among other things their theological framework, but it would behoove all of us to strive for the complete picture, uncomfortable as it may be.

    I really think Mark was simply making a counter point to those who would recast Jesus as a post modern healer and little more. He seems to be highlighting one facet to contrast what he sees as a significant imbalance.

    That’s not bad…

  14. For whatever it’s worth, I believe it is not enough to get our picture of Jesus only from the gospels. There is a whole lot more Bible than that. We have to look at the OT prophecies, the Epistles, and yes, Revelation. It is, after all, the “revelation of Jesus Christ”.

    Different people are uncomfortable with different facets of Jesus based on among other things their theological framework, but it would behoove all of us to strive for the complete picture, uncomfortable as it may be.

    I really think Mark was simply making a counter point to those who would recast Jesus as a post modern healer and little more. He seems to be highlighting one facet to contrast what he sees as a significant imbalance.

    That’s not bad…

  15. For whatever it’s worth, I believe it is not enough to get our picture of Jesus only from the gospels. There is a whole lot more Bible than that. We have to look at the OT prophecies, the Epistles, and yes, Revelation. It is, after all, the “revelation of Jesus Christ”.

    Different people are uncomfortable with different facets of Jesus based on among other things their theological framework, but it would behoove all of us to strive for the complete picture, uncomfortable as it may be.

    I really think Mark was simply making a counter point to those who would recast Jesus as a post modern healer and little more. He seems to be highlighting one facet to contrast what he sees as a significant imbalance.

    That’s not bad…

  16. Ok, so the reason Mark says this is because he rightly reveals to us that Jesus is not that peaceful lamb petting shepherd boy who likes to tell stories about grain, but NOW Jesus is King, holy ruler of everything. Would you want cross dressing Jesus to be your King… oh, wait at the way this world is going, yes! Don’t go in saying, Ouch! Mark hurt my feelings, cuz there are 2 people in his eyes, people who he’s offended and people who haven’t heard him.
    Jesus is now exalted on high and is coming to retake his kingdom, so chin up cuz it’s going to be messy once he gets here.

  17. Ok, so the reason Mark says this is because he rightly reveals to us that Jesus is not that peaceful lamb petting shepherd boy who likes to tell stories about grain, but NOW Jesus is King, holy ruler of everything. Would you want cross dressing Jesus to be your King… oh, wait at the way this world is going, yes! Don’t go in saying, Ouch! Mark hurt my feelings, cuz there are 2 people in his eyes, people who he’s offended and people who haven’t heard him.
    Jesus is now exalted on high and is coming to retake his kingdom, so chin up cuz it’s going to be messy once he gets here.

  18. Ok, so the reason Mark says this is because he rightly reveals to us that Jesus is not that peaceful lamb petting shepherd boy who likes to tell stories about grain, but NOW Jesus is King, holy ruler of everything. Would you want cross dressing Jesus to be your King… oh, wait at the way this world is going, yes! Don’t go in saying, Ouch! Mark hurt my feelings, cuz there are 2 people in his eyes, people who he’s offended and people who haven’t heard him.
    Jesus is now exalted on high and is coming to retake his kingdom, so chin up cuz it’s going to be messy once he gets here.

  19. “Would you want cross dressing Jesus to be your King… oh, wait at the way this world is going, yes!” (Sam)

    Well in churches a lot of the pics of Jesus show him in this long robe-dress looking thing? Even most pics in church don’t fit Mark’s comment so he ain’t even coming from a place of commonality with most pics/paintings shown in churches (or even books).

    “Don’t go in saying, Ouch! Mark hurt my feelings, cuz there are 2 people in his eyes, people who he’s offended and people who haven’t heard him.” (Sam)

    First off, no one’s feelings are hurt – we can disagree with Mark – he ain’t God.

    Secondly, Mark is way off the beaten path with that picture – even if God is a judge and will send Jesus back to earth – so what…that should not impact how we live the teachings given us – namely the 2 commandments and ‘treat another as how you would treat yourself’ – on those ideas hangs all the law and prophets. These are the commands Jesus aks us to follow – this wild picture Mark has of Jesus comes from Revelation – a book we struggle to even comprehend in this faith – being extremely unfamiliar with apocalyptic themes (a Jewish literary nuance).

    “retake his kingdom” (Sam)

    Does not this kingdom exist right now? And if so, is it a violent one like Mark says it is?

    “so chin up cuz it’s going to be messy once he gets here.” (Sam)

    Really, are we allowed to swim in the rivers of blood or are these going to be off limits (even if I bring a life-guard)? As per this mess, is God going to clean up after Himself or is that something we have to do?

    Sam, do you think God will delight in showing His judgment? Should we?

  20. “Would you want cross dressing Jesus to be your King… oh, wait at the way this world is going, yes!” (Sam)

    Well in churches a lot of the pics of Jesus show him in this long robe-dress looking thing? Even most pics in church don’t fit Mark’s comment so he ain’t even coming from a place of commonality with most pics/paintings shown in churches (or even books).

    “Don’t go in saying, Ouch! Mark hurt my feelings, cuz there are 2 people in his eyes, people who he’s offended and people who haven’t heard him.” (Sam)

    First off, no one’s feelings are hurt – we can disagree with Mark – he ain’t God.

    Secondly, Mark is way off the beaten path with that picture – even if God is a judge and will send Jesus back to earth – so what…that should not impact how we live the teachings given us – namely the 2 commandments and ‘treat another as how you would treat yourself’ – on those ideas hangs all the law and prophets. These are the commands Jesus aks us to follow – this wild picture Mark has of Jesus comes from Revelation – a book we struggle to even comprehend in this faith – being extremely unfamiliar with apocalyptic themes (a Jewish literary nuance).

    “retake his kingdom” (Sam)

    Does not this kingdom exist right now? And if so, is it a violent one like Mark says it is?

    “so chin up cuz it’s going to be messy once he gets here.” (Sam)

    Really, are we allowed to swim in the rivers of blood or are these going to be off limits (even if I bring a life-guard)? As per this mess, is God going to clean up after Himself or is that something we have to do?

    Sam, do you think God will delight in showing His judgment? Should we?

  21. “Would you want cross dressing Jesus to be your King… oh, wait at the way this world is going, yes!” (Sam)

    Well in churches a lot of the pics of Jesus show him in this long robe-dress looking thing? Even most pics in church don’t fit Mark’s comment so he ain’t even coming from a place of commonality with most pics/paintings shown in churches (or even books).

    “Don’t go in saying, Ouch! Mark hurt my feelings, cuz there are 2 people in his eyes, people who he’s offended and people who haven’t heard him.” (Sam)

    First off, no one’s feelings are hurt – we can disagree with Mark – he ain’t God.

    Secondly, Mark is way off the beaten path with that picture – even if God is a judge and will send Jesus back to earth – so what…that should not impact how we live the teachings given us – namely the 2 commandments and ‘treat another as how you would treat yourself’ – on those ideas hangs all the law and prophets. These are the commands Jesus aks us to follow – this wild picture Mark has of Jesus comes from Revelation – a book we struggle to even comprehend in this faith – being extremely unfamiliar with apocalyptic themes (a Jewish literary nuance).

    “retake his kingdom” (Sam)

    Does not this kingdom exist right now? And if so, is it a violent one like Mark says it is?

    “so chin up cuz it’s going to be messy once he gets here.” (Sam)

    Really, are we allowed to swim in the rivers of blood or are these going to be off limits (even if I bring a life-guard)? As per this mess, is God going to clean up after Himself or is that something we have to do?

    Sam, do you think God will delight in showing His judgment? Should we?

  22. The point and purpose of Jesus first coming to earth was to be the Lamb of God who would take away the sins of the world by His sacrifice on the cross. Whimp? Hardly… Committed even until death? Yes!

    This is how we are to be (we can’t die for the sins ofthe world of course though).

    When Jesus comes the second time it will be as the Lion of God to call home His saints, judge the remaining world, and set up His Kingdom. And yes, He will “clean up” things afterwards. The “battles” in Revelations are more like the devil and his army come to fight God, and God just ends it. It aint pretty, but when you stand against God and seek to destroy Him… how pretty can you exspect it to be for goodness sake??? But, God will destroy the current heaven and earth and make a new one.

    I think Mark here (not that I know him) is just trying to make a strong contrast or show how people see Jesus wrong or something… but the way he does it… good grief he musta been drinking kool aid because that was off the wall weird lol.

  23. The point and purpose of Jesus first coming to earth was to be the Lamb of God who would take away the sins of the world by His sacrifice on the cross. Whimp? Hardly… Committed even until death? Yes!

    This is how we are to be (we can’t die for the sins ofthe world of course though).

    When Jesus comes the second time it will be as the Lion of God to call home His saints, judge the remaining world, and set up His Kingdom. And yes, He will “clean up” things afterwards. The “battles” in Revelations are more like the devil and his army come to fight God, and God just ends it. It aint pretty, but when you stand against God and seek to destroy Him… how pretty can you exspect it to be for goodness sake??? But, God will destroy the current heaven and earth and make a new one.

    I think Mark here (not that I know him) is just trying to make a strong contrast or show how people see Jesus wrong or something… but the way he does it… good grief he musta been drinking kool aid because that was off the wall weird lol.

  24. The point and purpose of Jesus first coming to earth was to be the Lamb of God who would take away the sins of the world by His sacrifice on the cross. Whimp? Hardly… Committed even until death? Yes!

    This is how we are to be (we can’t die for the sins ofthe world of course though).

    When Jesus comes the second time it will be as the Lion of God to call home His saints, judge the remaining world, and set up His Kingdom. And yes, He will “clean up” things afterwards. The “battles” in Revelations are more like the devil and his army come to fight God, and God just ends it. It aint pretty, but when you stand against God and seek to destroy Him… how pretty can you exspect it to be for goodness sake??? But, God will destroy the current heaven and earth and make a new one.

    I think Mark here (not that I know him) is just trying to make a strong contrast or show how people see Jesus wrong or something… but the way he does it… good grief he musta been drinking kool aid because that was off the wall weird lol.

  25. “The point and purpose of Jesus first coming to earth was to be the Lamb of God who would take away the sins of the world by His sacrifice on the cross. Whimp? Hardly… Committed even until death? Yes!” (Starfox)

    Now that’s the point I was waiting to hear – amen and amen! Jesus seems to show us love is a very strong thing – and forgiveness is something with the power to change people. This quote for me encapsulates the way I see the true toughness of Jesus – he was so tough he didn’t take the easy out when 12 others around him did.

  26. “The point and purpose of Jesus first coming to earth was to be the Lamb of God who would take away the sins of the world by His sacrifice on the cross. Whimp? Hardly… Committed even until death? Yes!” (Starfox)

    Now that’s the point I was waiting to hear – amen and amen! Jesus seems to show us love is a very strong thing – and forgiveness is something with the power to change people. This quote for me encapsulates the way I see the true toughness of Jesus – he was so tough he didn’t take the easy out when 12 others around him did.

  27. “The point and purpose of Jesus first coming to earth was to be the Lamb of God who would take away the sins of the world by His sacrifice on the cross. Whimp? Hardly… Committed even until death? Yes!” (Starfox)

    Now that’s the point I was waiting to hear – amen and amen! Jesus seems to show us love is a very strong thing – and forgiveness is something with the power to change people. This quote for me encapsulates the way I see the true toughness of Jesus – he was so tough he didn’t take the easy out when 12 others around him did.

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