I know there are people from a variety of backgrounds who read this blog.  I just started reading Vintage Jesus: Timeless Answers to Timely Questions by Mark Driscoll and Gerry Breshears.  In it Mark, in the opening chapter, asks some great questions that every single person on the globe must answer for themselves.

Who exactly is Jesus?  Is he a good man or God, the half-brother of Lucifer or a prophet, liar or truth-teller, therapist or communist, stand-up comic or just my uber-fly, holy homeboy?

What say you?  Please leave a comment.

40 comments
  1. Jesus is the Son of God, both God and still not God the Father nor God the Spirit and still The One God; he was both human and God at the same time. (I always found the shamrock example useful to get a grip on the Three in One and One in Three.)

    He is both the man who was brave enough to do as his Father in Heaven wished and the little boy held by Mary; the One who rose from the grave and He who raised a dead man; a carpenter’s (foster) son, and the one who walked on water and changed water into wine.

    He’s the foretold and yet out of the blue solution to how someone from the House of David could become Messiah, in spite of Coniah. (Yay, Jewish inheritance laws.)

  2. Jesus is the Son of God, both God and still not God the Father nor God the Spirit and still The One God; he was both human and God at the same time. (I always found the shamrock example useful to get a grip on the Three in One and One in Three.)

    He is both the man who was brave enough to do as his Father in Heaven wished and the little boy held by Mary; the One who rose from the grave and He who raised a dead man; a carpenter’s (foster) son, and the one who walked on water and changed water into wine.

    He’s the foretold and yet out of the blue solution to how someone from the House of David could become Messiah, in spite of Coniah. (Yay, Jewish inheritance laws.)

  3. Jesus is the Son of God, both God and still not God the Father nor God the Spirit and still The One God; he was both human and God at the same time. (I always found the shamrock example useful to get a grip on the Three in One and One in Three.)

    He is both the man who was brave enough to do as his Father in Heaven wished and the little boy held by Mary; the One who rose from the grave and He who raised a dead man; a carpenter’s (foster) son, and the one who walked on water and changed water into wine.

    He’s the foretold and yet out of the blue solution to how someone from the House of David could become Messiah, in spite of Coniah. (Yay, Jewish inheritance laws.)

  4. Who cares what I say?

    Whatever one believes about it, the Bible is really the only viable source for information on Jesus, so we need to heed what it says:

    “Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems, and He has a name written that no one knows but Himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which He is called is the Word of God. And the armies of heaven, in fine linen, white and pure, were following Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.” (Revelation 19:11-16)

    I know this is only a facet of who Jesus is – it’s not the complete picture. He is the Lamb as well as the Lion. But we must accept Him in His fullness – we cannot pick the attributes we like and ignore the others, or even worse, make up attributes that are not real simply because we are more comfortable with them.

    He is who He is completely apart from what anyone thinks, but He invites us to know Him.

    Amazing.

    Great post, Shane.

  5. Who cares what I say?

    Whatever one believes about it, the Bible is really the only viable source for information on Jesus, so we need to heed what it says:

    “Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems, and He has a name written that no one knows but Himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which He is called is the Word of God. And the armies of heaven, in fine linen, white and pure, were following Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.” (Revelation 19:11-16)

    I know this is only a facet of who Jesus is – it’s not the complete picture. He is the Lamb as well as the Lion. But we must accept Him in His fullness – we cannot pick the attributes we like and ignore the others, or even worse, make up attributes that are not real simply because we are more comfortable with them.

    He is who He is completely apart from what anyone thinks, but He invites us to know Him.

    Amazing.

    Great post, Shane.

  6. Who cares what I say?

    Whatever one believes about it, the Bible is really the only viable source for information on Jesus, so we need to heed what it says:

    “Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems, and He has a name written that no one knows but Himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which He is called is the Word of God. And the armies of heaven, in fine linen, white and pure, were following Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.” (Revelation 19:11-16)

    I know this is only a facet of who Jesus is – it’s not the complete picture. He is the Lamb as well as the Lion. But we must accept Him in His fullness – we cannot pick the attributes we like and ignore the others, or even worse, make up attributes that are not real simply because we are more comfortable with them.

    He is who He is completely apart from what anyone thinks, but He invites us to know Him.

    Amazing.

    Great post, Shane.

  7. Jesus to me is my Saviour, my redeemer, my hope. He is my refuge, everpresent. I am only where I am by His grace. I rely on Him… He is my father.

  8. Jesus to me is my Saviour, my redeemer, my hope. He is my refuge, everpresent. I am only where I am by His grace. I rely on Him… He is my father.

  9. Jesus to me is my Saviour, my redeemer, my hope. He is my refuge, everpresent. I am only where I am by His grace. I rely on Him… He is my father.

  10. I see Jesus as the Christ – Messiah – at the right hand of God in His court – but not God.

  11. I see Jesus as the Christ – Messiah – at the right hand of God in His court – but not God.

  12. I see Jesus as the Christ – Messiah – at the right hand of God in His court – but not God.

  13. So what do you do with Isaiah?

    He said some interesting things about the Messiah:

    “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6)

    And what do you do with John?

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1)

    “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…” (John 1:14)

    If the Bible is any good at all, the conclusion is inescapable.

  14. So what do you do with Isaiah?

    He said some interesting things about the Messiah:

    “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6)

    And what do you do with John?

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1)

    “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…” (John 1:14)

    If the Bible is any good at all, the conclusion is inescapable.

  15. So what do you do with Isaiah?

    He said some interesting things about the Messiah:

    “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6)

    And what do you do with John?

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1)

    “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…” (John 1:14)

    If the Bible is any good at all, the conclusion is inescapable.

  16. I guess my point is, it’s fine to have an opinion about Jesus, but what is that opinion informed by?

    If it’s just “what I think”, then that is your right to be sure, but it’s also virtually meaningless.

    It’s almost like a 20 year old forming an opinion on WWII without consulting any history books or even PBS documentaries. He’s entitled to his opinion but his opinion is pulled out of the air.

    This isn’t the same as a person’s opinion on what flavor ice cream is the best or where the best vacation spot is. Those are preferences. This is about the most significant person in history and one’s eternal destination, not to mention whole approach to life here on earth.

    So it’s important to answer the question well, and the only real source for information on the subject is the Bible itself. There are almost no other eyewitness accounts of any kind. One could argue that the Bible is wide open to interpretation, but that is really a fallacy. Most of it is quite clear. Certainly the parts about who Jesus is.

  17. I guess my point is, it’s fine to have an opinion about Jesus, but what is that opinion informed by?

    If it’s just “what I think”, then that is your right to be sure, but it’s also virtually meaningless.

    It’s almost like a 20 year old forming an opinion on WWII without consulting any history books or even PBS documentaries. He’s entitled to his opinion but his opinion is pulled out of the air.

    This isn’t the same as a person’s opinion on what flavor ice cream is the best or where the best vacation spot is. Those are preferences. This is about the most significant person in history and one’s eternal destination, not to mention whole approach to life here on earth.

    So it’s important to answer the question well, and the only real source for information on the subject is the Bible itself. There are almost no other eyewitness accounts of any kind. One could argue that the Bible is wide open to interpretation, but that is really a fallacy. Most of it is quite clear. Certainly the parts about who Jesus is.

  18. I guess my point is, it’s fine to have an opinion about Jesus, but what is that opinion informed by?

    If it’s just “what I think”, then that is your right to be sure, but it’s also virtually meaningless.

    It’s almost like a 20 year old forming an opinion on WWII without consulting any history books or even PBS documentaries. He’s entitled to his opinion but his opinion is pulled out of the air.

    This isn’t the same as a person’s opinion on what flavor ice cream is the best or where the best vacation spot is. Those are preferences. This is about the most significant person in history and one’s eternal destination, not to mention whole approach to life here on earth.

    So it’s important to answer the question well, and the only real source for information on the subject is the Bible itself. There are almost no other eyewitness accounts of any kind. One could argue that the Bible is wide open to interpretation, but that is really a fallacy. Most of it is quite clear. Certainly the parts about who Jesus is.

  19. Couldn’t agree more. I’m going to do a blog post coming up on what Jesus said about Himself. This was an open thread type of post. I wanted to see what kind of a response I got.

  20. Couldn’t agree more. I’m going to do a blog post coming up on what Jesus said about Himself. This was an open thread type of post. I wanted to see what kind of a response I got.

  21. Couldn’t agree more. I’m going to do a blog post coming up on what Jesus said about Himself. This was an open thread type of post. I wanted to see what kind of a response I got.

  22. “So it’s important to answer the question well, and the only real source for information on the subject is the Bible itself. There are almost no other eyewitness accounts of any kind. One could argue that the Bible is wide open to interpretation, but that is really a fallacy. Most of it is quite clear” (Steve)

    I love how when I say that Jesus is not God – this has to be opinion based on nothing – but when someone says Jesus is God – it’s not an opinion – it’s fact to not be disputed.

    First off, the bible we have can be broke into two like a piece of unleavened bread – the Tanakh (first 39 books – used in Judaism to this day) and the New Testament (27 books and letters used by Christendom). This is not one unifed whole entity – which is fairly obvious when viewing the 2 religions mentioned and their unique differences.

    That fact you used Tanakh passages to prove Jesus’ divinity is the actual fallacy at play – since this is not based on great scholarship or from in depth study at all. Had the study been there – one would’ve easily concluded you cannot use the Tanakh passages at all to prove Jesus divinity – but only his messiahship – the Jewish faithful never once seen divinity in the terms ‘son of man’ or ‘messiah’. So quotes from Isaiah, Daniel, and David all lead to the same conclusion – messiah (yes) – divinity (no).

    The secind problem with the view is it’s s direct breaking of a commandment – no other gods amd God is one. If Jesus is God as is claimed in Christian faith – then he is a 2nd representation of God – and certain incidences actually prove this in the gospels (there are 2 beings not one in some scenarios). When Jesus is baptized – we hear God’s voice from the heavens – and Jesus is rising out of the water (2 unique people at one time in the same place). The Trinity definition is faulty and misleading – because Jesus and God are seen as seperate people all over the place in the NT – gospels and letters.

    The real problem comes down to keeping the commandments of God – in regards to a ‘perfect messiah’ – and the very first one is ‘God is One’. If Jesus is the messiah – then he will not break a single commandment either – yet he is found breaking the very first one if he claims to be ‘God’. That’s ridiculous.

    And lastly, Jesus does not have to be God to be the Messiah – this is the problem with mainstream Christianity – confusion of terminology. The Jewish nation held to a notion about the messiah for a long time – and not once has the term slipped into divinity…no the messiah was always seen as God’s anointed one.

    There is some theological disconnect in my opinion.

  23. “So it’s important to answer the question well, and the only real source for information on the subject is the Bible itself. There are almost no other eyewitness accounts of any kind. One could argue that the Bible is wide open to interpretation, but that is really a fallacy. Most of it is quite clear” (Steve)

    I love how when I say that Jesus is not God – this has to be opinion based on nothing – but when someone says Jesus is God – it’s not an opinion – it’s fact to not be disputed.

    First off, the bible we have can be broke into two like a piece of unleavened bread – the Tanakh (first 39 books – used in Judaism to this day) and the New Testament (27 books and letters used by Christendom). This is not one unifed whole entity – which is fairly obvious when viewing the 2 religions mentioned and their unique differences.

    That fact you used Tanakh passages to prove Jesus’ divinity is the actual fallacy at play – since this is not based on great scholarship or from in depth study at all. Had the study been there – one would’ve easily concluded you cannot use the Tanakh passages at all to prove Jesus divinity – but only his messiahship – the Jewish faithful never once seen divinity in the terms ‘son of man’ or ‘messiah’. So quotes from Isaiah, Daniel, and David all lead to the same conclusion – messiah (yes) – divinity (no).

    The secind problem with the view is it’s s direct breaking of a commandment – no other gods amd God is one. If Jesus is God as is claimed in Christian faith – then he is a 2nd representation of God – and certain incidences actually prove this in the gospels (there are 2 beings not one in some scenarios). When Jesus is baptized – we hear God’s voice from the heavens – and Jesus is rising out of the water (2 unique people at one time in the same place). The Trinity definition is faulty and misleading – because Jesus and God are seen as seperate people all over the place in the NT – gospels and letters.

    The real problem comes down to keeping the commandments of God – in regards to a ‘perfect messiah’ – and the very first one is ‘God is One’. If Jesus is the messiah – then he will not break a single commandment either – yet he is found breaking the very first one if he claims to be ‘God’. That’s ridiculous.

    And lastly, Jesus does not have to be God to be the Messiah – this is the problem with mainstream Christianity – confusion of terminology. The Jewish nation held to a notion about the messiah for a long time – and not once has the term slipped into divinity…no the messiah was always seen as God’s anointed one.

    There is some theological disconnect in my opinion.

  24. “So it’s important to answer the question well, and the only real source for information on the subject is the Bible itself. There are almost no other eyewitness accounts of any kind. One could argue that the Bible is wide open to interpretation, but that is really a fallacy. Most of it is quite clear” (Steve)

    I love how when I say that Jesus is not God – this has to be opinion based on nothing – but when someone says Jesus is God – it’s not an opinion – it’s fact to not be disputed.

    First off, the bible we have can be broke into two like a piece of unleavened bread – the Tanakh (first 39 books – used in Judaism to this day) and the New Testament (27 books and letters used by Christendom). This is not one unifed whole entity – which is fairly obvious when viewing the 2 religions mentioned and their unique differences.

    That fact you used Tanakh passages to prove Jesus’ divinity is the actual fallacy at play – since this is not based on great scholarship or from in depth study at all. Had the study been there – one would’ve easily concluded you cannot use the Tanakh passages at all to prove Jesus divinity – but only his messiahship – the Jewish faithful never once seen divinity in the terms ‘son of man’ or ‘messiah’. So quotes from Isaiah, Daniel, and David all lead to the same conclusion – messiah (yes) – divinity (no).

    The secind problem with the view is it’s s direct breaking of a commandment – no other gods amd God is one. If Jesus is God as is claimed in Christian faith – then he is a 2nd representation of God – and certain incidences actually prove this in the gospels (there are 2 beings not one in some scenarios). When Jesus is baptized – we hear God’s voice from the heavens – and Jesus is rising out of the water (2 unique people at one time in the same place). The Trinity definition is faulty and misleading – because Jesus and God are seen as seperate people all over the place in the NT – gospels and letters.

    The real problem comes down to keeping the commandments of God – in regards to a ‘perfect messiah’ – and the very first one is ‘God is One’. If Jesus is the messiah – then he will not break a single commandment either – yet he is found breaking the very first one if he claims to be ‘God’. That’s ridiculous.

    And lastly, Jesus does not have to be God to be the Messiah – this is the problem with mainstream Christianity – confusion of terminology. The Jewish nation held to a notion about the messiah for a long time – and not once has the term slipped into divinity…no the messiah was always seen as God’s anointed one.

    There is some theological disconnect in my opinion.

  25. The Bible is actually

    T H E D Y N A S T Y O F J E S U S.

    The Quest for Right traces the dynasty of Jesus back through the pages of the Bible to the first man Adam. The exhaustive effort proves that the earth was created on September 13, 4007 B.C. The study details the genealogy of Jesus with such profound logic and historical detail that every mouth will be stopped.

    The genealogy of Jesus is made possible by incorporating two previously unknown bellwethers situated in the Bible; the bellwethers led the investigation across two bridges in time that would have otherwise been unbridgeable.

    The dynasty of Jesus transports the reader (1) from the accretion of the earth from a watery nebula to the creation of the new heavens and earth; (2) from the creation of the dinosaurs to the demise of the hapless creatures; (3) from the time of Noah’s flood to the future destruction of the earth by fire; and (4) from the dedication of the earthly house of the Lord to the dedication of the true temple, Jesus. The project is so authoritative that all previous works on the subject will necessarily have to be revised.

    The Quest for Right, a 7-book series on origins based on physical science, the old science of cause and effect. http://questforright.com

  26. The Bible is actually

    T H E D Y N A S T Y O F J E S U S.

    The Quest for Right traces the dynasty of Jesus back through the pages of the Bible to the first man Adam. The exhaustive effort proves that the earth was created on September 13, 4007 B.C. The study details the genealogy of Jesus with such profound logic and historical detail that every mouth will be stopped.

    The genealogy of Jesus is made possible by incorporating two previously unknown bellwethers situated in the Bible; the bellwethers led the investigation across two bridges in time that would have otherwise been unbridgeable.

    The dynasty of Jesus transports the reader (1) from the accretion of the earth from a watery nebula to the creation of the new heavens and earth; (2) from the creation of the dinosaurs to the demise of the hapless creatures; (3) from the time of Noah’s flood to the future destruction of the earth by fire; and (4) from the dedication of the earthly house of the Lord to the dedication of the true temple, Jesus. The project is so authoritative that all previous works on the subject will necessarily have to be revised.

    The Quest for Right, a 7-book series on origins based on physical science, the old science of cause and effect. http://questforright.com

  27. The Bible is actually

    T H E D Y N A S T Y O F J E S U S.

    The Quest for Right traces the dynasty of Jesus back through the pages of the Bible to the first man Adam. The exhaustive effort proves that the earth was created on September 13, 4007 B.C. The study details the genealogy of Jesus with such profound logic and historical detail that every mouth will be stopped.

    The genealogy of Jesus is made possible by incorporating two previously unknown bellwethers situated in the Bible; the bellwethers led the investigation across two bridges in time that would have otherwise been unbridgeable.

    The dynasty of Jesus transports the reader (1) from the accretion of the earth from a watery nebula to the creation of the new heavens and earth; (2) from the creation of the dinosaurs to the demise of the hapless creatures; (3) from the time of Noah’s flood to the future destruction of the earth by fire; and (4) from the dedication of the earthly house of the Lord to the dedication of the true temple, Jesus. The project is so authoritative that all previous works on the subject will necessarily have to be revised.

    The Quest for Right, a 7-book series on origins based on physical science, the old science of cause and effect. http://questforright.com

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