In the Reagan Library debate tonight, Ron Paul of Texas was asked how he would draw down funding to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).  In his response, he pulled another one of his everything-is-about-bringing-the-troops-home-or-getting-rid-of-the-federal-reserve moments:

But I’ll tell you how we should do it. We’re spending — believe it or not, this blew my mind when I read this — $20 billion a year for air conditioning in Afghanistan and Iraq in the tents over there and all the air conditioning. Cut that $20 billion out, bring in — take $10 off the debt, and put $10 into FEMA or whoever else needs it, child health care or whatever. But I’ll tell you what, if we did that and took the air conditioning out of the Green Zone, our troops would come home, and that would make me happy.

Is he really so obsessed with leaving Afghanistan and Iraq that he is willing to torture the troops – in order to provoke them into rebellion perhaps?  Our men and women in uniform are better than that.   Does he really think the 100-Degree plus daytime temperatures will make our brave troops shrivel and beg to come home?  Maybe he wants us to cut down on their rations and water supplies, too.

And I thought Paul would abolish federally subsidized healthcare.  Add 10$B to the program?

I know that he was probably exaggerating a bit to make his point, but it does show how obsessed and unstable he really is.

 

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  1. Wow, what a blatant misrepresentation of Ron Paul.  Anyone with passing knowledge of Ron Paul’s stances knows exactly what he means and what he wants to (and will) do, and why he believes it.  I think you really need to go back to the books and learn about him…unless you’re just interested in misinformation and not knowledge and becoming informed.  He would bring *all* the troops home, period.  They won’t exactly need AC over there when they’re back home, now will they?  That sure would bring a lot of money back to our shores, with one stroke of his pen…

    As for the welfare state, why don’t you research exactly what Ron Paul feels should be done with it? Oh, right, that whole misinformation thing…it’s easier to play shill for the establishment that continues to drive us to ruin than it is to actually try and become informed and then provide people with information and facts.  Because there aren’t more pressing matters facing our nation than posturing and playing the popularity game, like some sort of ballgame…pressing matters like the crumbling of our nation.  But that’s alright, keep smearing one of the only guys fighting for your rights and liberty, one of the only guys not bought and paid for by powerful special interest and lobbyist groups, the only guy who knows his stuff and sticks to it even when it’s unpopular to do so.  We wouldn’t want someone principled and intelligent who stands up for “We the People,” now would we.

  2. Wow, what a blatant misrepresentation of Ron Paul.  Anyone with passing knowledge of Ron Paul’s stances knows exactly what he means and what he wants to (and will) do, and why he believes it.  I think you really need to go back to the books and learn about him…unless you’re just interested in misinformation and not knowledge and becoming informed.  He would bring *all* the troops home, period.  They won’t exactly need AC over there when they’re back home, now will they?  That sure would bring a lot of money back to our shores, with one stroke of his pen…

    As for the welfare state, why don’t you research exactly what Ron Paul feels should be done with it? Oh, right, that whole misinformation thing…it’s easier to play shill for the establishment that continues to drive us to ruin than it is to actually try and become informed and then provide people with information and facts.  Because there aren’t more pressing matters facing our nation than posturing and playing the popularity game, like some sort of ballgame…pressing matters like the crumbling of our nation.  But that’s alright, keep smearing one of the only guys fighting for your rights and liberty, one of the only guys not bought and paid for by powerful special interest and lobbyist groups, the only guy who knows his stuff and sticks to it even when it’s unpopular to do so.  We wouldn’t want someone principled and intelligent who stands up for “We the People,” now would we.

      1. David, It was pretty clear he was making the point that air conditioning alone could fund programs that people think they need.

        “Is he really so obsessed with leaving Afghanistan and Iraq that he is
        willing to torture the troops – in order to provoke them into rebellion
        perhaps?  Our men and women in uniform are better than that.”

        How very patriotic of you. I’ll trust the judgment of the people that actually serve. They donate to Ron Paul more than all other candidates combined, including Obama.

      2. David, c’mon.  Seriously?  The guy wants to end the war and bring the troops home.  That’s the point.  And your dopey response (something like “he’ll be a bad president if he can’t articulate his points in 60 seconds”) is senseless.  Just admit you disagree about bringing the troops home, but don’t try to suggest that Paul wants to leave the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and just strip them of air conditioned environments.  

        Ron Paul 2012.

      3. Ron paul is the one who cares about our troops. He wants to bring them home right now. He said, “We marched in there and we can march back out” ,   like i don;t know if you all are joking or what. There is no way your that stupid.

      4. Wow! An executive order is all that is needed to return the troops, not the game playing that you suggest. P.S. Our troops aren’t sitting around in A/C over there anyway. That privilege is for the officers and statesmen in charge of the grunts that sweat the real work.

      5. You my friend are another dumb person on here….I can’t beleive this lol   He never said we should shut off the ac….he is saying we should bring them home right now so we arent paying for the high cost of war including the billions in ac and the loss of lives. The IQ average on the comment section is hopefully < the national average

      6. As POTUS, Ron Paul would have direct authority to bring our troops home. He doesn’t need to “threaten” or “force” them with no AC…he just needs to say, “come home.” Yes, the President does, indeed, have that power. A shame Ron Paul is the only one consistent about wanting that. I strongly urge you to research Ron Paul and what he, himself, states he will do and, most importantly, WHY he supports and states it. He’s not the flashiest candidate, but he has what truly matters: substance. The mainstream media certainly won’t educate anyone, so it’s up to each individual…and this election is far too critical for us to not educate ourselves and learn what’s at stake and what our options really are.

    1. He simply quoted what Ron Paul SAID.  And what Paul SAID was strange. 
      If he didn’t mean what he SAID, he should learn to communicate better.  Maybe he really ISN’T nuts, maybe it just sounds that way.  We shouldn’t have to second guess him…it’s up to RON PAUL  to be clear in his message if he doesn’t want to be marginalized. 
      Why are you, a supporter, having to explain him and then getting mad because we don’t already know what Paul means?  His statements in debates don’t encourage a deeper look into his policies…either he’s looney or he can’t make anyone except his most fervent disciples understand him.  I really don’t think the problem is with US.

      1. No, the problem isn’t with people trying to learn the truth but who are tangled up by deceitful “reporting.” However, because of the reality of our current environment, it’s ultimately up to the voters to educate themselves. I agree, however, that it would be nice if Ron Paul were given a fair opportunity to explain his views and positions…unfortunately most time in “debates” are given to candidates the media has chosen for us. It shouldn’t be this way considering how important the Presidency is; they should be working to help inform us. Sadly that isn’t likely to happen anytime soon.

        What was said by Paul really shouldn’t need explaining, by the way. It’s pretty clear for all to read that he is talking about how wasteful our wartime spending is, how the money could be better served here at home, and how the troops would be brought home–which would make him happy. And if it’s still confusing, that only brings me back to my original point: educate and inform yourself, because the mainstream media won’t and long hasn’t…indeed, they have often worked for the opposite goal, as you will find as you research these matters.

        When you have people deliberately misrepresent or misconstrue what is stated, you will have more passionate rebutals. I hope you will forgive me, but things are too dire for such pettiness, and it is frustrating when people continue to do such things (even when it is to their own detriment, ultimately).

      2. If you are right, do we want someone as president who is unable to articulate what he means in 60 seconds?

        What if Paul had said this:

        Nowhere in the US Constitution do we find the right of the federal government to fund disaster relief. The American people are the most generous in the world. They will get the job done. If not, states can handle it. I wouldn’t get rid of the program overnight. I would phase it out.Notice, nothing about A/C and the troops, implying they are over there in comfort! Shame. Most of the $20B is not for A/C anyway. It includes the building of the roads, that were used to transport all of the equipment. The A/C thing was created by liberals and Ron Paul took the bait.

      3. “…do we want someone as president who is unable to articulate what he means in 60 seconds…” Possibly, if it would mean less war and lower taxes.  I also would prefer it if some journalists and columnists would not strain so hard to bend logic and distort facts.

      4. Yes, I would rather have someone who understands the situation, was consistently principled, was knowledgeable of the constitution and took his oath seriously, believed in my rights and worked to uphold my liberty, and wasn’t a sellout to lobbyists and special interest groups…than snakes and two-faced politicians who are all soundbites and no substance.

        We’ve voted in politicians based on charisma and smoothly-delivered soundbites for many elections and it’s only gotten us smooth-talking politicians who work for their own interests and not ours, to our grave detriment. It’s time to seriously lend consideration to candidates with substance, consistent records, an appreciation for our liberties, and who are principled enough to not sell us out for special interest/lobbies cash…even if they can’t out-smooth talk a groomed politician.

        Ron Paul may not be as smooth-talking in a debate, but his ideas are there for people to find…and perhaps we wouldn’t have to find them if the media treated him as fairly as they did the other candidates. You might have noticed the discrepancy in time and questions given to Ron Paul vs the other candidates. When given time to answer questions, he explains his positions well…but you are looking at an individual who is looking at complicated situations and is actually trying to find realistic solutions that get to the heart of the matter, while educating the populace as we have not been and must play catch-up.

        To be honest, however, I feel these “debate” forums are a poor venue for vetting candidates regardless. They are running for a critical office and we deserve more than carefully-tailored soundbites.

      5. Pay attention to Michelle Bachman’s words…

        She talks in terms of “what’s best for American interests” when she talks foreign policy.

        Ron Paul talks about “just” war theory and non-interventionism.

        There is a BIG difference…

        Google: “Ron Paul & Gary Johnson – Whos afraid of the big bad nuke” for proof.

      6. We, as supporters, have to explain to these moronic news pundits that you can’t take what people say out of context by only delivering part of the actual message.  I think you are absolutely and entirely wrong about saying that his statements in debates don’t encourage a deeper look into his policies.  Anyone with half a brain would look into the criminal federal reserve system, or the outrageous military budget and find out for themselves.  You just might be surprised to find Ron isn’t pushing a lobbyist agenda.  When you refer to “your candidate”… which is an odd statement to begin with, I can only assume you’re referring to the bandwagon hopper Bachmann.  She has nowhere near the record or consistency as a real fiscal conservative liberatarian like Paul.  On a final note, it’s not the president’s job to smile or be upbeat – only to protect the interests of the country and it’s population.

      7. you are dumb…..he never once said to cut off the ac and leave them over there…he said to bring them home….ur candidate has no chance of winning. She isnt on the polls obviously. What is strange about Ron Paul saying we should bring the troops home because soldiers are dying and the wars are costing us trillions and that the ac alone is costing billions? You dont speak english?

  3. “…if we did that and took the air conditioning out of the Green Zone, our troops would come home, and that would make me happy.”

    Uhh, did you read this part? How is it anything but completely missing the mark to accuse Ron Paul of wanting to torture the troops by leaving them in Iraq without their airconditiong when he concluded his remarks by saying they would come home?

      1. He is saying it is just one example of the many expenses we have there. The whole operation is fraught with astronomical expenses, and that is one of them. James F is correct.

      2. He assumes if you bring home the troops, the war will end….and you won’t continue to rob the American citizens to pay for their AC and many, many other costs involved.

      3. He assumes if you bring home the troops, the war will end….and you won’t continue to rob the American citizens to pay for their AC and many, many other costs involved.

  4. “…if we did that and took the air conditioning out of the Green Zone, our troops would come home, and that would make me happy.”

    Uhh, did you read this part? How is it anything but completely missing the mark to accuse Ron Paul of wanting to torture the troops by leaving them in Iraq without their airconditiong when he concluded his remarks by saying they would come home?

  5. Your thoughts on this Candidate lack focus and frankly demonstrate the pitiful amount of research or attenuation to the truth on your part!

    Good luck doing more of the same crap that has destroyed America’s economy and the quality of life! Your party of choice is the reason we have high taxes and government that has to check your underware!

    1. Neither party is any good anymore…it is the whole structure of corruption that permeates DC because it ALLOWS personal greed to rule over what is good for the nation.  It’s the environment of corruption itself that needs to be changed.  I doubt there is any loyal Republican here, but there are conservatives who want to change that party and change DC.  We’ll do it, but it will not be under the direction of Ron Paul as president.  Maybe he can be one to help us with the task ahead, but unfortunately he does not seem to be a team player with other patriots.  You attribute ideas to him as if he were the sole author of those ideas and as if he were the only one standing up for them and fighting for them.  You seem to think we do not love freedom and are war mongers if we do not select him as our leader.  I have to object to that.

  6. You are clearly ignorant if you actually think this is his plan! What he is getting across is that we are spending to much money in wars… He’s not going to “torture” our troops… He wants to bring the troops home ASAP! We have people in our own country that are suffering that we need to worry about. Come on David I know you don’t actually think this you’re just trying to make a headline… clever. 

    1. I am trying to show that Paul is willing to say anything to get the troops home.

      Google “among-the-costs-of-war-20b-in-air-conditioning”  and you will find he has his facts wrong, too.  The $20B includes lots of things that have almost nothing to do with A/C.

      1. You’re not succeeding. If you had any facts to share to prove that assertion, you might convince people. As it is, “trying” just proves you can’t. There is no try, dingbat, there is only do. Now go to your room and do your homework.

      2. Besides the name calling, what else can you add to the conversation, Jack?   The google result  I suggested includes the facts as they were reported at one of the original sites reporting on the $20B.  It admits that the figure includes the money to build the roads which were used to transport food and water, too.  

      3. David, I had read that, and yes Ron Paul’s line was kinda dumb. But I don’t think you get the stakes here, if the USD collapses the result would far be worse then what any foreign power is likely to do to us. I much rather have a leader who erred on the side of caution at the moment. The last thing we need is World War III right now.

      4. David, I had read that, and yes Ron Paul’s line was kinda dumb. But I don’t think you get the stakes here, if the USD collapses the result would far be worse then what any foreign power is likely to do to us. I much rather have a leader who erred on the side of caution at the moment. The last thing we need is World War III right now.

      5. Dr. Paul has a 30 year track record of NOT being the candidate who “will say anything” to accomplish his goals.

        That’s why you see so much love and support for him here.

      1. He did say what he meant.  You sound like my 10 year old son, lanahi.

        Congressman Paul said (I’m cutting out anything extraneous that may continue to distract you):

        “We’re spending…$20 billion a year for air conditioning in Afghanistan and Iraq in the tents over there…

        Cut that $20 billion out…

        take $10[Billion] off the debt…

        put $10[Billion] into FEMA or whoever else needs it, child health care or WHATEVER (sounds like a strong commitment to gov’t healthcare and FEMA, not)

        …. But I’ll tell you what, if we did that and took the air conditioning out of the Green Zone, OUR TROOPS WOULD COME HOME, and THAT WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY.”

      2. He did say what he meant.  You sound like my 10 year old son, lanahi.

        Congressman Paul said (I’m cutting out anything extraneous that may continue to distract you):

        “We’re spending…$20 billion a year for air conditioning in Afghanistan and Iraq in the tents over there…

        Cut that $20 billion out…

        take $10[Billion] off the debt…

        put $10[Billion] into FEMA or whoever else needs it, child health care or WHATEVER (sounds like a strong commitment to gov’t healthcare and FEMA, not)

        …. But I’ll tell you what, if we did that and took the air conditioning out of the Green Zone, OUR TROOPS WOULD COME HOME, and THAT WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY.”

  7. First off, if the terrorists can handle 100+ degree weather, why can’t our troops? But the point I think Paul was admirably trying to make was that we’re wasting billions on the air conditioning alone, so if we bring them home that’s just one of the many trillions of dollars we could use for more important domestic matters. And I think you may have misrepresented Dr. Paul when you said he was for federal healthcare. It seemed that because some of these departments are in the red, you have to pay down the debts before you can just get rid of them. Even so, I wouldn’t equate child healthcare with your typical Obamacare brand federal healthcare with all of its individual mandates and whatnot.

    1. Do you suppose after fighting battles in WWII the troops were allowed some R&R in captured cities?  It is silly to see some RP supporters defending the notion that the troops should get by without A/C.  Of course, they could do so.  But to require them to do so is callous.

  8. This writer is just another sad someone who thinks stating opinions without reasons and attaching one-word labels to them is good writing. It is not. The writing is lazy and uninformed. It is shameful laziness in a ‘writer’. Spending $20 billion on air-conditioning tents in some foreign land for an illegal war against a people who have never threatened the US is wasteful. That money could be spent in the US saving people from floods, hurricanes, bridges falling down and the rest of the decaying infrastructure of a once-great nation that is quickly going third-world. Spending hundreds of billions of more dollars on continuing these wars is unreasonable, immoral, illegal and a shame on the the face of the US around the world. 

  9. David, please calm down. I found this site when Ron Paul posted a link to a poll you were doing and have been reading it ever since. I liked that you guys reported pretty faily and had a decent Christian world view. Your better then this!

  10. He was providing an example of the abusive waste that the government is engaging in over seas. This is well in line with his political philosophy for the past three decades. I very much doubt he’d pull the A/Cs out of our Afghanistan and Iraq campaigns to prove his point, and you’ve surprisingly picked up on that exaggeration. 

    Labeling him unstable for his suggestions to fix failing health care programs immediately until alternate and viable solutions are obtainable is ignorant. Ron Paul’s rhetoric is never lost on me, but apparently it’s lost on the less informed and ill-educated. Fortunately for them, Ron Paul has written more than a half dozen books and essays describing his views in great detail. Let’s see, there’s:- Abortion and Liberty (1983)- The Case for Gold (2007)- A Foreign Policy of Freedom: Peace, Commerce and Honest Friendship (2007)- Pillars of Prosperity (2008)- Ron Paul Speaks (2008)- The Revoloution: A Manifesto (2009)- End the Fed (2010)- Liberty Defined (2011)Instability in this context could better be described as stating knee-jerk reactions without knowing first the facts.Ron Paul 2012

  11. You missed (or distorted) the point. The rest of the field has doubled down on more air and land wars in Asia. The way to lower the A/C bill is to bring the troops home. Paul is the only candidate serious about doing so…but you know that, David.

  12. Just like a Neo-CON “Christian” who has no grasp of the whole story – take one line out of a debate and use it to completely misrepresent the only candidate who is not a SLAVE to the PsTB and has a TRACK RECORD to support his positions and his consistency.
     
    GET A CLUE David. BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!
     
    Ron Paul is more consistently Pro-LIFE than W or Huckabee – who apparently garnered your support. He also is the only one on the panel in the Debate who realizes the war is OFFENSIVE and a Black Hole that is unsustainable and BTW bringing the Troops home will not destroy us – it will make us more as we ought to be.

    1. If he were more pro-life he would use the power of the federal government to protect unborn children.  He apparently is willing to use the federal government to uphold gun rights, but not the right to life.

      1. Uh, I take it you don’t follow his record.  He has proposed pro life amendments, has proposed taking jurisdiction away from the federal courts to IMMEDIATELY revert to a pre-Roe v Wade scenario.  No, he doesn’t pretend the Constitution is written differently than it was read to be written for the first 150 years of this country, no.  As he puts it: “A Constitution you can read to say anything you want might as well be blank.”

        But guys, don’t insult David.  We came to HIS blog.

      2. Uh, I take it you don’t follow his record.  He has proposed pro life amendments, has proposed taking jurisdiction away from the federal courts to IMMEDIATELY revert to a pre-Roe v Wade scenario.  No, he doesn’t pretend the Constitution is written differently than it was read to be written for the first 150 years of this country, no.  As he puts it: “A Constitution you can read to say anything you want might as well be blank.”

        But guys, don’t insult David.  We came to HIS blog.

      3. Uh, I take it you don’t follow his record.  He has proposed pro life amendments, has proposed taking jurisdiction away from the federal courts to IMMEDIATELY revert to a pre-Roe v Wade scenario.  No, he doesn’t pretend the Constitution is written differently than it was read to be written for the first 150 years of this country, no.  As he puts it: “A Constitution you can read to say anything you want might as well be blank.”

        But guys, don’t insult David.  We came to HIS blog.

  13. I think it just shows how people like you are so blatantly ignorant in some sort of hopes to slander the good Dr. This kind propaganda doesn’t work on people who use there  guy.. Go try a different market.

  14. And somehow he gets more money and support from Active Duty Military than all the other candidates combined…

    It’s like people don’t even hear what he’s saying…

    Youre not fooling anybody Mr. Sherlock.

    1. you are prob the dumbest person ive ran into. He’s not saying turn off their air conditioning moron. He’s saying bring them home and so we wont be paying for them to be over there losing their lives for no reason. Wow people amaze me. Not fooling anyone, this article fooled you. What a joke.

  15. David, is that how you think you may get a reader or two. Sensationalize?  Do your homework and you won’t sound like such a fool.

  16. Yup. There goes “Crazy Uncle Ron”… Babbling on about the unsustainability of multiple wars…

    … And he’s got my vote…

      1. This man doesn’t understand logic or reason, and should no longer be allowed to post on caffeinated thoughts. Misinterpretation of Ron’s true ideas, as well as any candidates true ideas, should not be allowed to be made into articles.

  17. Dr. Paul isn’t the most polished or “presidential” looking… but he is by far the most consistent, savvy and honest President our country will have had in nearly a century…

    Either you support interventionism or you don’t.

  18. Am I the only one who hates the so called ultimate pride in military? They signed up for it and the are just following wars of there bosses. We do not have to give them luxuries such as air conditioning. They are in a war zone for goodness sake.

  19. This is the most sensationalist post I’ve ever read here.  What Ron clearly said was that he wanted to END the wars!  Not that he was really in favor of leaving the troops out in the sun.

    Watch the video again and you can clearly see that he’s talking about bringing the troops home.  If you end the war, that’s hundreds of billions of dollars saved.  Put half against the debt and half into social programs and you can be both fiscally conservative and still fund everybody’s pet projects.

    Ideally Ron wants to end the government spending at home, too (his record makes that clear), but he certainly isn’t going to leave the troops out in the heat.

  20. This is the most sensationalist post I’ve ever read here.  What Ron clearly said was that he wanted to END the wars!  Not that he was really in favor of leaving the troops out in the sun.

    Watch the video again and you can clearly see that he’s talking about bringing the troops home.  If you end the war, that’s hundreds of billions of dollars saved.  Put half against the debt and half into social programs and you can be both fiscally conservative and still fund everybody’s pet projects.

    Ideally Ron wants to end the government spending at home, too (his record makes that clear), but he certainly isn’t going to leave the troops out in the heat.

  21. This is the most sensationalist post I’ve ever read here.  What Ron clearly said was that he wanted to END the wars!  Not that he was really in favor of leaving the troops out in the sun.

    Watch the video again and you can clearly see that he’s talking about bringing the troops home.  If you end the war, that’s hundreds of billions of dollars saved.  Put half against the debt and half into social programs and you can be both fiscally conservative and still fund everybody’s pet projects.

    Ideally Ron wants to end the government spending at home, too (his record makes that clear), but he certainly isn’t going to leave the troops out in the heat.

  22. This is the most sensationalist post I’ve ever read here.  What Ron clearly said was that he wanted to END the wars!  Not that he was really in favor of leaving the troops out in the sun.

    Watch the video again and you can clearly see that he’s talking about bringing the troops home.  If you end the war, that’s hundreds of billions of dollars saved.  Put half against the debt and half into social programs and you can be both fiscally conservative and still fund everybody’s pet projects.

    Ideally Ron wants to end the government spending at home, too (his record makes that clear), but he certainly isn’t going to leave the troops out in the heat.

  23. This is the most sensationalist post I’ve ever read here.  What Ron clearly said was that he wanted to END the wars!  Not that he was really in favor of leaving the troops out in the sun.

    Watch the video again and you can clearly see that he’s talking about bringing the troops home.  If you end the war, that’s hundreds of billions of dollars saved.  Put half against the debt and half into social programs and you can be both fiscally conservative and still fund everybody’s pet projects.

    Ideally Ron wants to end the government spending at home, too (his record makes that clear), but he certainly isn’t going to leave the troops out in the heat.

  24. so this david bloke supported GWB. well, W did support a humble non-interventionist foreign policy and didn’t believe in nation bulding whilst campaigning in 2000. I never red in the bible that Jesus wanted to force his beliefs upon others, must have skipped that part. I never knew he was for torture either. How about Iraq war where there were no WMDs nor proof of a link to al-qaeda. lying, i thought that was in the bible somewhere. just like with ‘nam, us govt screw there own people and the people of other nations (eg australia, UK) for their own sick interests.

  25. Obsessed? Unstable? Well, I guess it depends upon your definition of those words. You, apparently, think that anyone who wants to cut billions out of the military budget is obsessed and unstable. Personally, I would define those words as applying to persons who want to keep spending the money, people like you perhaps?

  26. Obsessed? Unstable? Well, I guess it depends upon your definition of those words. You, apparently, think that anyone who wants to cut billions out of the military budget is obsessed and unstable. Personally, I would define those words as applying to persons who want to keep spending the money, people like you perhaps?

  27. To say “he is willing to torture the troops” is quite ignorant, in fact Ron Paul never voted once for a war and has called out the president for illegally starting wars (the president does not have the power to go to war, that is a congressional power). So as president he’s not saying he would revoke the troops A/C, he’s saying he would bring the troops home and spend the money that goes to these useless wars on fixing our infrastructure and economy. That is something I think all American’s can agree on.

    So for future reference, please analyze a candidates FULL argument before jumping to illogical conclusions. Its really a dis-service to your readers as well as any potential voters.

  28. Wow, David.  How embarrassing for you to make such an inane and illogical conclusion.  Obviously, Dr. Paul was not suggesting we leave the troops in Afghanistan without air conditioning.  The point is that the air conditioning wouldn’t be needed because the tents wouldn’t be there because the troops would be home!  Congressman Paul has been on record MANY times over at least the last 6 years stating that he would bring the troops home immediately.  Please do a bit of research before you publish your tripe.  

  29. Always scares me most when members of academia twist words and Ideas.  He made an obviously sardonic comment meant to convey his support for the troops coming home.  I expect distortions of “words” from politicians and media, not academia.

  30. I love how all the “journalists” try a skew Ron Paul, he’s not saying take the AC away, he’s saying bring them home!. just like if there was a draft, people would be way more up in arms about sending our people to war..

    Ron Paul 2012 – the only NOT living in the twilight zone

  31. Could you try harder to misrepresent Congressman Paul please, Mr. Shedlock?  People still believe he would change things and that’s too scary.  Much better we pretend he said that we should torture the troops so that people will finally stop listening to him.  After all, if we simply admit that he’s advocating that we bring home the troops and reallocate funds instead of creating money from thin air to pay for everything for everybody people might continue to pay attention to him.  G-d forbid…right?

    Ron Paul 2012!

  32. In case you didn’t realize it , the Green Zone (which is where the Congressman said the air should be turned off) in Baghdad is the hangout for all the neocon spooks and Blackwater / Xe   / Halliburton people hangout. 

    If this blog  / blob is what passes for  ‘ constitutional christianity ‘ in this country – heaven help us.  You should be ashamed of yourself, but I’m not sure you’re bright enough to realize it.

  33. The troops wouldn’t be there if he was president that was his point. I guess it got a little too complex for you to understand.

  34. Crash course on the phony “two party paradigm” and “media
    created tea party”

    The media’s ignoring, ridicule and outright smearing of Ron Paul while
    bolstering other candidates illustrates
    nicely the two great modern schemes
    operating in American politics facilitated by the mainstream media – those
    being: the phony “two party paradigm” and the creation of the phony GOP “tea
    party”. First, the concept of a modern “tea party” came on board with the Ron
    Paul supporters back in 2007 during the campaign. Actual pounds of tea were to
    be dropped by a hovering blimp into Boston Harbor on the historic day of the
    original Boston tea party against British tyranny as a gesture of defiance to
    the status quo (lost of civil liberties; unending illegal wars; nation building;
    destruction of our currency; torture and extraordinary rendition; abuse of
    civil liberties under the bogus Patriot Act etc.). Party affiliation, national
    origin, race etc. wasn’t important – all were welcomed – only a love of liberty
    and a willingness to fight for it and hence among those veterans the movement
    is rarely regarded as “tea party” but instead the “liberty” or “freedom”
    movement and it is definitely not GOP or PERRY or Bachmann!!

     In 2008 when the
    “dynamic duo” – McCain and his side kick – Palin got their bloodied grinded
    behinds handed back to them by Obama. This is exactly what the mainstream media
    had orchestrated for the previous year – and the rank and file GOP voters
    predictably bought it – they bought media served “stooge of the day” McCain and
    side kick hook line and sinker! I invite you to research progressive AP
    reporter Liz Soldoti’s coverage of McCain 2008 and see how she systematically
    built him up “straight talk express” to become the GOP front runner – the MSM
    knowing he was hopeless and would get creamed by Obama!

    Immediately after the election in an attempt to do damage
    control the RNC/GOP and right leaning media embraced “tea party” to co-opt the
    movement for the progressive neo-cons – enter the right media ala FOX and the
    likes of social controlling neo-con personalities such as Rush Limbaugh; Glenn
    Beck and Sean Hannity. The left media, MSNBC etc. and their social controlling
    components: Keith Obermann; Chris Mathews and Rachel Maddow in an effort to
    maintain and reinforce the phony two party paradigm immediately hyped them “racists”
    and “secessionists” nut jobs stressing the “tea party” as against newly elected
    President Obama primarily because he was black!

    Hence: the term “tea party” as currently hyped in the media
    is a creation of the mainstream media and simply equates to good old American
    progressive “neo-con”! The concept of “tea party” they propagate is a primary
    tool currently used to continue the “two party paradigm”.  Anyone uninformed enough to buy in is being
    seriously played and hasn’t taken the effort to analyze the actual facts – just
    taking the media’s word for it like a good little boy or girl and maintain the
    “status quo”.

    Allow me to go a little Taoist on you – the “real” tea party
    you hear about is not the “REAL” tea party!

    Strange as it may seem, there is actually little
    socio-economic and political ideological difference between – lets say, MSNBC
    and FOX – only the illusion of one! Both the (so – called) right and left
    factions of American mainstream media are all globalists – wanting to maintain
    and expand American empire with all their corporate owners having direct BOD
    relationships with the giants in the military industrial complex such as: GE;
    Texaco; Chevron; Boeing; Lockheed Martin; Citigroup; Rockwell Automation;
    Chase, WorldCom, and JP Morgan; Halliburton, etc. and thereby financially
    benefit directly from the ongoing nation building and entrenched foreign
    occupations.

    So the mainstream media as a whole created the current “GOP tea
    party” as is hyped today, to attempt to contain and control the actual
    legitimate non-partisan “liberty movement” (being the actual REAL “tea party”
    started by Ron Paul supporters in 2007) – it being a threat to the status quo
    and use the phony “two party paradigm” to help them do it. This is the illusion
    of two different parties counter balancing one another – please don’t say you
    can’t remember recently this spring when republican Senator McCain and democrat
    Senator Kerry went arm in arm bellowing for illegal war with Libya? Do you
    not find it is strange that Obama never changed Bush/Cheney policies regarding:
    torture; bailouts; WARS; Patriot Act and lost of civil liberties and abuse of
    American citizenry. Exactly – both parties want huge intrusive central
    authority – its just one side prefers to balloon the size of government with
    aggressive warfare and less social welfare and vice-versa. Americans are spoon
    fed the “two party paradigm” as a controlling device through the lame-stream
    media – that’s why globalist neo-cons like Bachmann and Perry are being hyped
    as “tea party” and that is why they are desperately trying to co-opt many of
    Ron Paul’s life-long political positions on things, such as: auditing the
    Federal Reserve.

    For years have you scratched your head wondering – why are
    our representatives in DC doing this? Are they trying to destroy America?
    Unfortunately in a sense – they are. For the globalist in both parties it’s not
    about gaining a secure and prosperous American Republic;
    upholding liberty maintaining the supreme law of the land – the U.S. Constitution.
    It is totally about maintaining an economic empire for a select group of
    oligarchs using the American military – our blood and treasure!  It’s about redistributing American wealth and
    technology and building “emerging” economies in China
    and India etc while de-industrializing America! It’s about destroying our
    education system with federal control so that our young people test dismally
    against students in the rest of the world in science and math! It’s about
    defending borders overseas while leaving our southern border in the USA open
    allowing for abuses of American citizens. We could go on and on about the
    mistreatment Americans suffer at the hands of a rogue government! However, you
    and I both know that throughout the process of the dismantling of America, the
    mainstream media tells you “its okay – remember back in 2008 when they
    spoon-fed us “don’t worry either top tier candidate, Obama or McCain will get
    us on track”!  Now the media is trying to
    force-feed us their choice AGAIN!

    Yeah right! We know how that worked out!

    The media is currently working overtime to convince voters
    that the candidates like: Perry; Romney and Bachmann are significantly
    different than President Obama – this is definitely pure BS! All of the 2012
    candidates (in both parties) polling significant numbers nationally are deep in
    the pocket of international banking and the military industrial complex EXCEPT
    RON PAUL! This corrupt system needs an o-going puppet in the White House to
    keep bailing out criminals and keep this bogus war on terror going and ramped
    up bombing and saber rattling all awhile the media keeping the American people
    placated with the “two party paradigm” allowing for global elites to steal
    American national wealth and sovereignty! Ron Paul is the only candidate
    significantly different than Obama and therefore the ONLY ONE capable of
    beating him on issues that the majority of Americans heavily support (like
    ending: illegal wars; torture and illegal detention; abolishing the Patriot Act
    and Federal Reserve; stopping the abuses of the IRS and TSA and getting us out
    of NATO and NAFTA etc.)

    The “establishment” is in a real bind – the media’s “ignore”
    phase for the “Ron Paul problem” hasn’t worked and the “discredit” phase is now
    underway. These types of tactics are standard procedure in any third world
    banana republic to marginalize legitimate opposition to the regime and status
    quo. They have NO place in a free representative Republic!

    So, fellow Americans if by now you haven’t acknowledged that
    Obama is a corporate puppet you are in serious denial or part of the subversion!
    If you want things to continue under the rule of the global “banksters’ and
    “tanksters” – maintain the status quo and allowing tyranny to grow under the
    phony “two party paradigm” – vote for the spoon- fed media’s “top
    tier”: Obama; Romney; Bachmann; Perry etc., but if you want things to truly
    change and have the assurance that you will have the right to be heard and not
    silenced then begin to restore America liberty now and support Ron Paul! He
    can’t be bought – and the establishment knows it! They must use every means
    available to attempt to marginalize him – hence the blackout, ridicule and
    smear! Check your states regulations for rules of primary voting and do whatever
    it takes (you may have to join the Republican Party) so that you can cast your
    primary vote for Ron Paul.

    WE WON’T GET FOOLED AGAIN!
    RON PAUL 2012

    Ron Paul 2012!!!

  35. In all honesty – why do soldiers need air conditioning? I think that’s pretty terrible. It’s a luxury. Don’t get me wrong – I appreciate what they do but, $20 billion is an absolutely ridiculous amount of money to be spending on air conditioning. I don’t think when they dream of protecting America that they would have ever thought they’d get air conditioned tents while out there – they would have laughed at that idea… not to mention them being there does more destruction then anything else.

    Paul is the only candidate that actually has eyes and can see what’s really going on. He says the truth and the majority of people think it’s crazy because they’re not use to hearing truth – truth is foreign to most people – it’s a whole new language that sounds like Arabic to an English person. They’re use to fluffy little lies that allow them to live in their fluffy little bubble. Wake up America.

    1. “Don’t get me wrong – I appreciate what they do”

      So does John Kerry and his band of anti-war, pacifist zealots.

      Another vote to make the troops as uncomfortable as possible.

  36. Can the spin against Ron Paul get any more BLATANT?

    Scorch the troops?  For real?  How mindless can you get?  He was joking, saying this would make them want to come home.  Ron Paul always said he’d immediately pull our troops out of all bases around the world and bring them home.

    Nice try spinning against the Candidate who gets the most military donations than Obama and all the other Republican candidates combined.

  37. I am starting to believe that these reporters write this crap to keep us on these forums instead of out there spreading the REAL message to the rest of the people. People that live next door, down the road, you know REAL people . . . Get up out of your chair and go to the window. Everyone, right now. Open it … Stick your Head out and YELL. .. . RON PAUL for President 2012.

  38. I see that my previous comment was eaten by the system.  Here’s attempt #2 and I’m not even going to try to be diplomatic this time.

    Listen up, chickenhawk!  I am a veteran of the US Army, and if you think that Paul is out to harm the troops you are an idiot.  It is phoney, war loving, “Christians” (who have no use for peace, or its Prince) who never had the guts to enlist themselves that are selling a series of wars to protect themselves from Islamic boogeymen that is placing our troops in harms way with no war declaration, no mission objectives, and RoEs that make progress impossible.  I was trained to fight against nuclear armed Communist armies, under neocon leadership, our country can’t handle a few hundred illiterate goat shepherds ~ and is spending much more money than it took to remove the USSR from our planet.

    We are spending so much on wars at this point, that merely shutting off the AC in combat zones would save enough to fund FEMA through national disasters (not that we should, but the important point is that we could.)  If I were still active duty, and in theatre, and they shut off the AC so folks IN AMERICA could receive disaster funding, I would gladly suck it up and drive on ~ because every single cent (not to mention the loss of our blood) spent in the middle east makes our country less secure.

    Defend your foreign wars, and the thousand plus overseas bases that we “need” to wage them.  Your intellectually dishonest pot shots have no place on a blog pretending to portray a “Christian” world view.  This veteran is a Paul supporter, and is sick of the BS.  Put your money where your mouth is and join the cause of “democracy” in a uniform ~ let’s see if AC, or the lack thereof is your major gripe a week after you’ve landed in country.

  39. I see that my previous comment was eaten by the system.  Here’s attempt #2 and I’m not even going to try to be diplomatic this time.

    Listen up, chickenhawk!  I am a veteran of the US Army, and if you think that Paul is out to harm the troops you are an idiot.  It is phoney, war loving, “Christians” (who have no use for peace, or its Prince) who never had the guts to enlist themselves that are selling a series of wars to protect themselves from Islamic boogeymen that is placing our troops in harms way with no war declaration, no mission objectives, and RoEs that make progress impossible.  I was trained to fight against nuclear armed Communist armies, under neocon leadership, our country can’t handle a few hundred illiterate goat shepherds ~ and is spending much more money than it took to remove the USSR from our planet.

    We are spending so much on wars at this point, that merely shutting off the AC in combat zones would save enough to fund FEMA through national disasters (not that we should, but the important point is that we could.)  If I were still active duty, and in theatre, and they shut off the AC so folks IN AMERICA could receive disaster funding, I would gladly suck it up and drive on ~ because every single cent (not to mention the loss of our blood) spent in the middle east makes our country less secure.

    Defend your foreign wars, and the thousand plus overseas bases that we “need” to wage them.  Your intellectually dishonest pot shots have no place on a blog pretending to portray a “Christian” world view.  This veteran is a Paul supporter, and is sick of the BS.  Put your money where your mouth is and join the cause of “democracy” in a uniform ~ let’s see if AC, or the lack thereof is your major gripe a week after you’ve landed in country.

      1. How many troops have we lost in our response to that attack?  How much more do we have to spend to continue our current policy?  Defend the status quo, or argue against the “newcomer” ~ don’t pretend that you don’t understand the argument, and throw literary bombs under the banner of Christ.

        Sure there are a bunch of folks who “want” to kill us.  And the fact is that if someone wants to kill you, and they don’t care if they go along for the ride, they have a good chance of doing it.  However “typical” you consider my response, nobody has ever claimed that the war on “terror” has any chance of ever stopping “terrorism.”  My point is that we are spending money that we don’t have to combat an asymetrical threat that can never be completely stopped, and we are spending more than we spent against the nuclear armed USSR.

        If Congress had declared war, and we we still had feet on the ground 10 years later, there would not be a rock bigger than your fist, or a scrap of refined metal available to terrorists between the borders of Israel and India.  Instead we are nationbuilding, and writing off the soldiers and their limbs as casualties of a “war” to make ourselves feel better.  Let international business pay for its own security, soldiers signed up to defend Americans.

        Do you believe that Iran, and “Islamic radicals” are stronger, or weaker now than they were say, 10 years ago? 

  40. Oh, come on. You know his plan wouldn’t be to leave them there without airconditioning.  He was stationed over there without air conditioning himself in the the Air Force, years ago, and knows it’s no fun.  He thinks that war is unnecessary and this is one of the expenses which even by itself shows why we shouldn’t be over there, at all.

  41. Oh, come on. You know his plan wouldn’t be to leave them there without airconditioning.  He was stationed over there without air conditioning himself in the the Air Force, years ago, and knows it’s no fun.  He thinks that war is unnecessary and this is one of the expenses which even by itself shows why we shouldn’t be over there, at all.

  42. Oh, come on. You know his plan wouldn’t be to leave them there without airconditioning.  He was stationed over there without air conditioning himself in the the Air Force, years ago, and knows it’s no fun.  He thinks that war is unnecessary and this is one of the expenses which even by itself shows why we shouldn’t be over there, at all.

  43. Oh, come on. You know his plan wouldn’t be to leave them there without airconditioning.  He was stationed over there without air conditioning himself in the the Air Force, years ago, and knows it’s no fun.  He thinks that war is unnecessary and this is one of the expenses which even by itself shows why we shouldn’t be over there, at all.

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