Congressman Ron Paul has shown himself more liberal or pacifist than President Obama.   After the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, Paul suggested that this American citizen turned terrorist should have been either left alone or perhaps served an arrest warrant and then read his Miranda rights.  Which police officer should we have sent to Yemen to pick up Awlaki and take him downtown?   (This actually leads me to think Paul would probably just want us to ignore him, just like he does the rest of our enemies.)    How far into “You have a right to remain silent” would the man of the law get before he would be shot in the head, if the terrorists didn’t behead him first.

Does anybody deny that Awlaki was hanging out with those bent on destroying America?  When a man makes videos declaring himself an enemy of the USA and then joins a terrorist group, that is sufficient cause to track him down.  I forgot.  It was the Patriot Act and our going into Iraq that caused us to be attacked on 9/11.   Or maybe I got that backwards.   Oh, well.

Kudos to Rick Santorum for calling Paul out on Iraq, but  I sure wish Paul would exercise his right to remain silent on these things.    Paul also came out this week in favor of the UN granting the Palestinians statehood recognition.  Has he ever said that Israel should have been given recognition as a state (please provide a link)?

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      1. You’re a disgrace. Read 1984… you’re one of the sheep who will usher in a new era of totalitarianism in the US. I think you should be killed… but it’s not my right, because I’m not a dictator

      2. Something Ron Paul is doing seems to be breeding or attracting a whole breed of haters. Now some apparently think I should die. And I am supposed to be afraid of Obama?

  1.  Dave, I’ve been reading the Constitution all morning and I can’t find the part where it says “All rights herein may be ignored out of logistical pragmatism.” Also can’t find the part about videos being “sufficient cause” for execution. Can you steer me toward those clauses, please?

    1. Just so I understand, Adam.    US citizens who join terrorist organizations and publish threats to kill US citizens or attack our country, and who are implicated in 2-3 attacks already must be appointed an attorney if found among a group of terrorists.  Is that your “(and Paul’s) position?

      1. I think the finest military the world has every known could have made an attempt at arresting this guy. But maybe I just have more faith in the U.S. military than you. Not surprising that an anti-Constitutionalist like you would be anti-military.

        Anyway, where are those parts in the Constitution?

      2.  That was an arrest mission. Like any other arrest mission, domestic or abroad, suspects are sometimes killed out of the officers’ self-defense. That’s not what happened here: Americans assassinated Anwar al-Awlaki.

      3. But you don’t want that to be charged or proven, just said by one guy, and that’s due process?  Because he was suspected, not even charged.

  2. So being conservative means that if the Gov’t says something, it must be so, right? None of this liberal checks and balances rule of law BS!

    1. I agree (on the photoshop part, I actually used the Paint program, which doesn’t have the cloning ability I so crave).   Otherwise, I don’t think it is stale,  Paul’s comments only came out late yesterday, and I was busy last night, so I think it is still news.  My local radio station sometimes runs the same story for 24 straight hours, now THAT is stale.

      1. Back to that Photoshop part.  You merged the image of al-Awlaki with someone who was making a compelling constitutional argument.  I would expect that from a junior high school student.  The picture immediately set the tone that your column was juvenile, and you didn’t disappoint.

      2. It was juvenile in its skill, I admit (see above), but perfectly in keeping with the long-standing tradition of exaggeration done in political cartoons, aka satire. I even added the “not really” under the picture for you thin-skinned types who can’t understand political discourse.

  3. Do you want President Obama to have the ability to target anyone he
    wishes to be killed?  The slippery slope is brutally scary, and this
    terrorist is just the latest face in the campaign of the government to
    increase their authority over you.  Do you really think Obama or the
    government are trustworthy?  I don’t.

    1. “Do you want President Obama to have the ability to target anyone he wishes to be killed?”

      Yes.  He does.

      1. Thank you, Mr Anon. You Paul supporters are good at putting words in people’s mouths, but not so good at seeing other’s points of view or winning people over.

  4. There’s no vision at all behind Shedlock’s words – only sound bites of repeated “war on terror” propaganda conditioning. If Shedlock knew anything about the history of Anwar Al-Awlaki before and after 9/11, he would agree that Al-Awlaki was either A) a CIA operative or B) a terrorist stooge permitted to operate internationally for propaganda purposes to stoke the fires of irrational American fears of ‘homegrown terrorism”.

    A while back, American officials had a warrant for Al-Alwaki’s arrest ready to enforce as he flew to the US from Yemen. At the last moment, instructions came from DC to let Al-Awlaki enter the US unhindered. Only one of two possibilities there – see A and B above.

    1. I don’t tend to listen to the many conspiracy theories often held by many Ron Paul supporters, but I am certainly willing ot listen to what you have to say. Please send some credible sources for what you say about this former CIA operative. Unless you are just making it up, then don’t bother.

  5. God may have blessed you with a bunch of kids, but he apparently saw fit only to give you the common sense of a bleating sheep. This is stupid, chest-thumping inane war-cheerleading from a guy who hasn’t ever been in one. This is the mindset that leads a nation headlong into tyranny and fascism. Now, apparently, the position of POTUS is one of arbitrary authority over who lives and who dies, anywhere in the world, without any due process, citizenship rights like the Bill of Rights and the 14th Amendment notwithstanding (they’ve long been killing non-citizens en masse), without ZERO evidence other than some YouTube videos. What happens if or when David Shedlock’s writings are deemed to be offensive to the President? Will a Predator drone be sent to silence him?

  6. As each day passes, we see more and more pople becoming UN-American… they dont believe in rule of law anymore, but they have accepted their “gut” feeling and then acted on it..  we are 10 years away from Nazi Germany….

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak out for me.

  7. For anyone confused about Ron Paul’s statement about killing al Awlaki: I worked in law for many years and asked several criminal defense attorneys, “How do you sleep at night, knowing that you got a rapist or murderer off?” Their answers were the same. They all said, “My job is to make sure that IF the government charges you with a crime, they get you the right way, following all the rules. Otherwise, they can come after you or me and convict us without obeying the rules.” It’s not a perfect system, but it’s the best one in the world at the moment.

    al Awlaki was a US born citizen. Was he a good man? Hard to say since he was entertained at the Pentagon shortly after 9-11. Many believe he was just a CIA handler for false flag “terrorists” such as the underwear bomber, Christmas tree bomber and Fort Hood shooter. We don’t know. And that’s the point. As a US citizen, he was entitled to be tried for any alleged crimes. Then to be sentenced. Not just outright murdered. At least in the case of the two “bombers”, the “terrorists” had neither the capacity nor the intent to act UNTIL they were taken under the wing of our “intelligence” agencies. It was all theater to keep us scared about terrorism. This was necessary, for example, in the case of the underwear bomber to justify the purchase of the naked body scanner machines – which had already been ordered before the incident from a company in which Michael Chertoff (former head of Homeland (In)security) is invested.

    Remember Homeland (In)security’s MIAC reports sent to all law enforcement throughout the country. The one that got the most attention was the one against “right wing” domestic terrorists, which included Ron Paul supporters, gun owners, preppers, right-to-lifers, people who speak too much about the Constitution and constitutional rights, etc. There was a less publicized report on “left wing” domestic terrorists, which included animal rights activists and a few other categories. The bottom line is that, according to Homeland (In)security, virtually every American is a potential terrorist. And isn’t that how we get treated at the airports and now football games?

    Then you have the Patriot Act, which is anything but patriotic. Some people thought it only allowed spying and surveillance of foreign potential terrorists. No, it includes Americans.

    Top that off with Homeland (In)security’s “See something, say something” campaign, also most recently depicting very “American looking” people as terrorists. Hey, the program worked for Hitler, but it doesn’t belong in the United States of America.

    So Paul is right that an American citizen is entitled to a trial, not murder by our government. Otherwise, next time you go to a protest or rally or show a bumper sticker or buy gold or a buy a gun or whatever, you can be labeled a “terrorist”. And, under the Patriot Act, you can then be held indefinitely without charges or trial. Or murdered, apparently.

    1. Are you speaking out about the millions of unborn children being murdered every day in the US without a warrant and without due process? Did you speak out against the killing of Terri Schiavo?

  8. 1) Waterboarding is not torture   2) Blowback is not real   3) Iraq had Nukes  4) Muslims hate us for our freedom
      5) Terrorists dont get rights  6) Unicorns are Real  6) Santorums trumps the CIA   7) Romney, Perry and Cain new top tier

  9. The author deleted my previous comments. Like animals at the Zoo waiting to devour raw meat, the gullible and the ignorant drool on cue when their keeper tells them to. Keep praising the war on terror like a good little sheep…

    1. Jonathan, I’ll let your insults through, though all they prove is that you have nothing rational to add to the arguments. I won’t allow profanity, however.

  10. Ron Paul’s ideas in regards to this are closer to Just War Theory and not Liberalism or Pacifism… Obama isn’t even a Pacifist and operates more on the grounds of a Structural Realist or Neo-Liberal theory but says everything contrary to that at press conferences. Also Liberalism and Pacifism are two completely different things in international relations… Spend less time in the English Department at your college and walk over to the Political Science, Philosophy and Economics departments. You might learn something besides irresponsible journalism and “composition.”

  11. God does not bless people who rationalize assassinations, and killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent people around the world. You will be judged, and nothing but your connection to your conscious can protect you in these times.

  12. Just traveled to Morocco this past summer.  Our tour guide said that if we don’t want to be messed with, just say we’re Canadian.  This will continue as long as we continue to think like violent alpha males like David Shedlock and Rick Santorum.  Nobody likes bullies.

  13. For days, weeks, and months after the Olympic bombing, the media, law enforcement, and the general public were FOR SURE that Richard Jewel was the guilty terrorist.  But as his right to due process was granted he was eventually cleared of the accusation.  

    Perhaps with the new precedent set by the assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki, the FBI would have justified shooting Jewel instead of arresting him.  

    Was Anwar al-Awlaki an innocent, unlucky scapegoat like Jewel, probably not.  It is more likely that he was the terrible terrorist that he is presumed to be.  But that is why our constitution grants US citizens the right to due process, so the guilty can be punished and the innocent set free.  The precedent that presumed guilt bears the penalty of death is not a precedent I want set.  

    1. Dustin,

      Why doesn’t peaceful, pro-life also mean rhetoric that is not inflammatory. Richard Jewell did get due process and was never arrested. The comparison is weak and therefore the warning of doom will fall on deaf ears. If the FBI was “FOR SURE” about Jewell he would have been arrested. Much of the public was dubious from the very beginning. Al-Alwlaki was not killed for any crimes he committed but because he posed a legitimate threat to the safety and security of our country. Ron Paul admits that he “was a detestable person we believe helped recruit and inspire others to kill Americans through terrorist acts.” Terrorists who are an ongoing threat do not need to get Mirandized before they kill more U..S. citizens. Assassination of leaders, though we take an official position against it in our country, is actually much more humane than war and should be applauded. How many millions would have survived if Hitler had been assassinated.

  14. Ron Paul is trying to protect the rights of average Americans, not terrorists. Of course, in order to protect anyone’s rights, you have to protect everyone’s rights. Are we really too stupid to understand this? Let’s drone strike freedom of speech next. Some people are too evil and too dangerous to enjoy that right, right?

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