Not only am I concerned about Obama’s position on abortion, but also who he associates with.  Who surrounds the man, who advises the man who could be our next president?

The Apostle Paul, while not thinking of this year’s political season obviously, exhorted the Corinthian Church by saying, “Do not be deceived: ‘Bad company ruins good morals,'” (1 Corinthians15:33, ESV).  This principle can apply to many situations in life.  Who are we surrounded by?  Many people float in and out of our lives and we have no control over it.  However our long-term associations and friendships we do.  Whether Senator Obama likes it or not they do matter.  Especially when one can see a pattern emerging:

First is William Ayers, former member of Weather Underground which bombed the Pentegon and the U.S. Capitol building in the 60s.  An unrepentant terrorist.  Here is a CNN report for your consideration:

This is a long-term association which Obama has not been forthright about.  He would like us to believe that he hardly knows this guy, but that isn’t the case.  So either he’s gullible and naive both are not good traits in a President, or he is lying about his association.

This would be no different than if McCain had a long-term association with David Duke.  You can bet that CNN, MSNBC, NBC would be all over that (which they should), but they have largely given this a pass.  Why?

Then there is Tony Rezko:

Of course we all should know about his 20 year relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and he didn’t know that Wright held these positions?  Right.

There would have to be somewhat of a buy-in to stay at Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years.  I couldn’t do it, just like I couldn’t sit under a pastor who was a racist.

Then most troubling is his association with ACORN, which have been accused and are under investigation for numerous cases of voter fraud.
 

Some may watch these videos and say, “so what?”  Obama claims that he has superior judgement.  His associations prove otherwise – either he has been duped (which I don’t think that is the case – he is an intelligent man) or is comfortable with these individuals and groups.  That should give us pause.

20 comments
  1. The fact that this has not been explored more in depth in the media shows thay they, for the most part, has utilized the early voting opportunities in the state in which they live: the state of subjective journalism.

  2. The fact that this has not been explored more in depth in the media shows thay they, for the most part, has utilized the early voting opportunities in the state in which they live: the state of subjective journalism.

  3. Oh get real – Obama’s associations – what is he now – guilty by association?

    This is fera mongering plain and simple – and painting someone’s character in a ‘shady light’ which I find rather despicable a Christian is doing (to another person he has never met for that matter).

    Obama has had these associations – but are they his campaign advisors? No. And some of these people have ‘beef’ with America – so what? Not everyone in your country is a patriot like the media.

    You must remember the 60’s and that age of dissidence? Wright and Ayers both come out of that era…and some real crumby things were happening then – namely to black people. I get the angst in Wright – I don’t know if you need to be a minority for this but I get it.

    And you’re acting like people ‘are’ the company they’ve ‘kept’. Shane, have you ever hung around with people that have done ‘evil’ things? Someone that was a real criminal? If yes, then I am holding you to this same standard you hold Obama to.

    I think it is a joke to call Obama out like this – because he knew some people and hung out with them. If guilt by association was a real crime or problem – I would be serving life right now. You can’t blame people for their concern for others (and friends they make as they go).

  4. Oh get real – Obama’s associations – what is he now – guilty by association?

    This is fera mongering plain and simple – and painting someone’s character in a ‘shady light’ which I find rather despicable a Christian is doing (to another person he has never met for that matter).

    Obama has had these associations – but are they his campaign advisors? No. And some of these people have ‘beef’ with America – so what? Not everyone in your country is a patriot like the media.

    You must remember the 60’s and that age of dissidence? Wright and Ayers both come out of that era…and some real crumby things were happening then – namely to black people. I get the angst in Wright – I don’t know if you need to be a minority for this but I get it.

    And you’re acting like people ‘are’ the company they’ve ‘kept’. Shane, have you ever hung around with people that have done ‘evil’ things? Someone that was a real criminal? If yes, then I am holding you to this same standard you hold Obama to.

    I think it is a joke to call Obama out like this – because he knew some people and hung out with them. If guilt by association was a real crime or problem – I would be serving life right now. You can’t blame people for their concern for others (and friends they make as they go).

  5. Hmmm.. I’m thinking “foreign” lobbyists.. like ones from Georgia.. all politicians are tainted and guilty of keeping bad company.

    Focusing on these associations is simply a tactic to keep the campaign focused away from the real issues.. and it doesn’t seem to be working.

  6. Hmmm.. I’m thinking “foreign” lobbyists.. like ones from Georgia.. all politicians are tainted and guilty of keeping bad company.

    Focusing on these associations is simply a tactic to keep the campaign focused away from the real issues.. and it doesn’t seem to be working.

  7. @SocietyVS

    Let see I minister to juvenile offenders – so yes I have hung around numerous criminals.

    Can’t say I’ve had business relationships or close friendships with them or have called them mentors.

    This one of many concerns – it isn’t the only concern. My point is that if Senator Obama had an R rather than a D after his name this would be all over the place.

    And yes whether you like it or not you are known by the company you keep. If these weren’t long-term associations I wouldn’t even bring it up.

    Obama has been involved in a business deal with Rezko that isn’t above board. He books give much credit to Jeremiah Wright. His political career was launched in Ayers’ home and was involve d in projects with him that gives us insight into his beliefs.

    You have a right to your opinion, and if you think it makes me a crappy Christian – well ok I disagree. If something like this comes up with McCain I would be equally concerned as well. I just think Presidential candidates need to be properly vetted, and Obama hasn’t – he’s been given a pass.

    Considering there is much we don’t know about him, and he hasn’t served on the national level as long as McCain that is concerning.

    It seems that Sarah Palin as the VP candidate has gone through more scrutiny than Obama has as the top of the ticket. That just seems strange to me.

    If these things truly don’t influence how he governs, and if he doesn’t have damning ties to ACORN. If it is found that his dealing with Rezko are above board. Then good. I won’t be disappointed. I just don’t want scandal in the Oval Office, had enough of that with Clinton.

  8. @SocietyVS

    Let see I minister to juvenile offenders – so yes I have hung around numerous criminals.

    Can’t say I’ve had business relationships or close friendships with them or have called them mentors.

    This one of many concerns – it isn’t the only concern. My point is that if Senator Obama had an R rather than a D after his name this would be all over the place.

    And yes whether you like it or not you are known by the company you keep. If these weren’t long-term associations I wouldn’t even bring it up.

    Obama has been involved in a business deal with Rezko that isn’t above board. He books give much credit to Jeremiah Wright. His political career was launched in Ayers’ home and was involve d in projects with him that gives us insight into his beliefs.

    You have a right to your opinion, and if you think it makes me a crappy Christian – well ok I disagree. If something like this comes up with McCain I would be equally concerned as well. I just think Presidential candidates need to be properly vetted, and Obama hasn’t – he’s been given a pass.

    Considering there is much we don’t know about him, and he hasn’t served on the national level as long as McCain that is concerning.

    It seems that Sarah Palin as the VP candidate has gone through more scrutiny than Obama has as the top of the ticket. That just seems strange to me.

    If these things truly don’t influence how he governs, and if he doesn’t have damning ties to ACORN. If it is found that his dealing with Rezko are above board. Then good. I won’t be disappointed. I just don’t want scandal in the Oval Office, had enough of that with Clinton.

  9. Exactly. It’s not that Obama has simply shared the same room with these people or has been forced to deal with them as part of the job. It’s that he willingly associates with them and shares their views. No one is going to sit in a church for 20 years if they disagree with the message. No one is going to work closely with an unrepentant terrorist and write glowing reviews for their books if they don’t at least sympathize with their views. These aren’t casual associations. If McCain had attended the Westboro Baptist Church for 20 years does anyone really think he’d even have a shot at the presidency?

  10. Exactly. It’s not that Obama has simply shared the same room with these people or has been forced to deal with them as part of the job. It’s that he willingly associates with them and shares their views. No one is going to sit in a church for 20 years if they disagree with the message. No one is going to work closely with an unrepentant terrorist and write glowing reviews for their books if they don’t at least sympathize with their views. These aren’t casual associations. If McCain had attended the Westboro Baptist Church for 20 years does anyone really think he’d even have a shot at the presidency?

  11. “Can’t say I’ve had business relationships or close friendships with them or have called them mentors.” (Shane)

    But you’re also not a minority – nor work and live in a neighborhood ravaged with poverty (this has everything to do with everything).

    Obama – as much as he plays it down – is an African American who wanted to bridge ties with his community (get to know them better). This is common thing for someone to do – to want to identify with their people – and their struggle.

    What happened is Obama sat under a minister that has a very pro-black agenda – no denying that – and is maybe a step or 2 over the line. But have you experienced segregation as a black person? Racism from the police as a black person? Lived in poverty and watched your best leaders get clipped for being pro-black? Had to watch apartheid in South Africa which brutalized black people (and their leaders) for years? This is a race of people that have been brutalized in America and this is not easy to shake – and Wright couldn’t – and I say ‘good on him’…he is only speaking for his community. Is it Obama saying these things? No. But he knows how scared non-African American people are of viewpoints in his community – so he distanced himself from Wright.

    As for Ayers, I don’t know much about him except that he likely was a 60’s hippie (or even yippie) that fought against an un-just society anyways (in his viewpoint). This would be no different than my admiration for people like Abby Hoffman, Bobby Seale, or even Malcolm X. It would not bother me on iota to have these people over for drinks or to work alongside them in projects in the hood if they were (a) doing something like that or (b) were still alive. Yet those 3 names could be considered terrorists in some sense – but I think they fought a righteous fight.

    See, this is all based on viewpoint – and I think Obama was working in inner city Chicago (or wherever) and ‘yes’ he is bound to meet some characters that have questionable paths – it was the 60’s man. But how can Obama be to blame for the actions of another person? Wright or Ayers – doesn’t matter. He may know them and ‘yes’ be friends with them – but that doesn’t make him a bad person.

    As for Acorn – Obama has answered that on national television and if that’s not good enough for you – then I am not sure what more you will get that will help with that. People are digging around the clock to make this into something bigger than it is – and it won’t go anywhere – cause like the ‘guilt by association’ deals with Wright and Ayers – the same thing is happening with Acorn.

    I just think you’re bigger than this Shane – I would say it’s going against the Christian teachings to call someone something he isn’t – based on their associations – and at worst – lying about that person. I would also say it is not against the political agenda to do this – which is what this certain blog on Obama reads like to me.

  12. “Can’t say I’ve had business relationships or close friendships with them or have called them mentors.” (Shane)

    But you’re also not a minority – nor work and live in a neighborhood ravaged with poverty (this has everything to do with everything).

    Obama – as much as he plays it down – is an African American who wanted to bridge ties with his community (get to know them better). This is common thing for someone to do – to want to identify with their people – and their struggle.

    What happened is Obama sat under a minister that has a very pro-black agenda – no denying that – and is maybe a step or 2 over the line. But have you experienced segregation as a black person? Racism from the police as a black person? Lived in poverty and watched your best leaders get clipped for being pro-black? Had to watch apartheid in South Africa which brutalized black people (and their leaders) for years? This is a race of people that have been brutalized in America and this is not easy to shake – and Wright couldn’t – and I say ‘good on him’…he is only speaking for his community. Is it Obama saying these things? No. But he knows how scared non-African American people are of viewpoints in his community – so he distanced himself from Wright.

    As for Ayers, I don’t know much about him except that he likely was a 60’s hippie (or even yippie) that fought against an un-just society anyways (in his viewpoint). This would be no different than my admiration for people like Abby Hoffman, Bobby Seale, or even Malcolm X. It would not bother me on iota to have these people over for drinks or to work alongside them in projects in the hood if they were (a) doing something like that or (b) were still alive. Yet those 3 names could be considered terrorists in some sense – but I think they fought a righteous fight.

    See, this is all based on viewpoint – and I think Obama was working in inner city Chicago (or wherever) and ‘yes’ he is bound to meet some characters that have questionable paths – it was the 60’s man. But how can Obama be to blame for the actions of another person? Wright or Ayers – doesn’t matter. He may know them and ‘yes’ be friends with them – but that doesn’t make him a bad person.

    As for Acorn – Obama has answered that on national television and if that’s not good enough for you – then I am not sure what more you will get that will help with that. People are digging around the clock to make this into something bigger than it is – and it won’t go anywhere – cause like the ‘guilt by association’ deals with Wright and Ayers – the same thing is happening with Acorn.

    I just think you’re bigger than this Shane – I would say it’s going against the Christian teachings to call someone something he isn’t – based on their associations – and at worst – lying about that person. I would also say it is not against the political agenda to do this – which is what this certain blog on Obama reads like to me.

  13. SocietyVs – did you even watch the videos? I am bringing up problems with his associations. These videos are from news reports. I’ve only presented facts listed in those news reports. There are other conspiracy theories out there (like is he a natural born citizen? Is he a Muslim?), but I haven’t blogged on those.

    This is legitimate. If I was making this crap up then you’d have the right to call me a liar. But I’m not.

    If McCain hung out with Fred Phelps and Westboro Baptist Church. If he was friends with David Duke. If gave endorsements to books written by fringe right-wing militia groups he wouldn’t have my support, and I would blog on that as well.

    He doesn’t have those type of associations. He had the potential scandal with the Keating Five, he cooperated with investigators and was cleared. He expressed regret in his actions that even linked him with that group. He has also been very forthright with the failure of his first marriage, and his conduct that led to it.

    I don’t see that with Obama.

    I think you’re just frustrated that you’ve got a Conservative government in Canada ;).

  14. SocietyVs – did you even watch the videos? I am bringing up problems with his associations. These videos are from news reports. I’ve only presented facts listed in those news reports. There are other conspiracy theories out there (like is he a natural born citizen? Is he a Muslim?), but I haven’t blogged on those.

    This is legitimate. If I was making this crap up then you’d have the right to call me a liar. But I’m not.

    If McCain hung out with Fred Phelps and Westboro Baptist Church. If he was friends with David Duke. If gave endorsements to books written by fringe right-wing militia groups he wouldn’t have my support, and I would blog on that as well.

    He doesn’t have those type of associations. He had the potential scandal with the Keating Five, he cooperated with investigators and was cleared. He expressed regret in his actions that even linked him with that group. He has also been very forthright with the failure of his first marriage, and his conduct that led to it.

    I don’t see that with Obama.

    I think you’re just frustrated that you’ve got a Conservative government in Canada ;).

  15. “I think you’re just frustrated that you’ve got a Conservative government in Canada ;).” (Shane)

    Won’t matter anyways – if we get deomcrats in America it will change a lot of our policies up here (lol).

  16. “I think you’re just frustrated that you’ve got a Conservative government in Canada ;).” (Shane)

    Won’t matter anyways – if we get deomcrats in America it will change a lot of our policies up here (lol).

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