I wasn’t able to live blog this debates since I didn’t get back from church with the kids early enough.  So watching a replay.  Some of my thoughts:

  • I thought the moderation was decent, and neither candidate cut the other off.
  • I was bored, but that could be because it was late.
  • Obama said with middle class with his “rescue plan for the middle class” saying 95% of working families will get a tax break.  His rhetoric connects, but unfortunately doesn’t have the record to back it up.
  • McCain parried well with saying that small businesses would have their taxes increased and they make up most of the jobs.  Doesn’t want to raise taxes on anybody.  Said the last president to raise taxes during a recession was Herbert Hoover and that led to a depression.
  • McCain also pointed out that businesses are paying the 2nd highest tax rate in the world was a good point.
  • Cut backs – McCain lists specific programs… even some defense spending, earmarks, and across the board spending freeze.  Hatchet and scalpel.  Obama mentions $15 billion of insurance companies that don’t work.  He said he would support a net spending cut, programs that don’t work cut, programs that we need keep.  My problem is his view of programs that we need.
  • McCain mentions that Obama asked for $1 Billion in earmarks, Obama didn’t deny it, but said instead “it only makes up 1/2 of 1% of the budget.”  Yikes.
  • Got to watch the video with this Joe the Plummer guy.  Obama told him that “we’ve got to spread the wealth around.”  McCain – “I want Joe the Plummer to spread the wealth around.”
  • Money Quote: after Obama criticized a Bush policy Senator McCain said, “Senator Obama, I am not President Bush.  If you wanted to run against President Bush you should have run four years ago.”
  • Regarding balanced budget – McCain said check our records on spending and see what the National Taxpayers Union and Citizens Against Government Waste are saying about us.
  • Obama vs. McCain on going against party leadership – I don’t think there’s any question on records.
  • Too much time spent on negative campaigning.  They both do it, move on!
  • Obama’s associations should have been brought up during first debate, but McCain was right to bring them up.  Obama – “let’s not focus on associations, let’s look at the issues.”  If the shoe were on the other foot I doubt he’d be saying that.
  • VP Choice – zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  • Best point of the night: goes to McCain – Obama’s solution to everything is to spend – he proposes $860 Billion in new spending.
  • Energy independence/Free Trade – McCain’s energy plan seems more comprehensive.  McCain’s line “wants to sit down with Hugo Chavez, but doesn’t want to enter into an agreement with our best ally in the area (Columbia)” line was good.
  • Healthcare – You like Obama’s plan?  See how well socialized medicine has worked for Canada and England.  Mandating insurance benefits on larger companies makes me nervous.  Obama says we need to reduce medical costs, but doesn’t get into specifics.  Both say we need to focus on prevention.  McCain gets into some specifics on reducing medical costs, and mentions $5000 tax credit for families ($2500 for individuals) – likely won’t be enough to help a family purchase their own healthcare outright, but will help.
  • Judges/Roe v. Wade – McCain – strict constructionalist/Obama – somebody who supports Roe.  I think Roe was a good decision.  What?  Most constitutional law scholars would not lift Roe up as being good case law.  Poorly decided.  Where exactly does the Constitution say we have a right to privacy?  Especially when it comes to ending human life?
  • Obama tries to defend his Illinois Senate record on voting against or present on the Illinois Born Alive Act and the Partial Birth Abortion Ban.  With the partial birth/late term abortion ban saying he was against it because it didn’t say anything about protecting the “health” of the mother. First off – any OB/GYN could tell you that partial birth abortions are not needed to protect the mother’s health.  Why not just deliver the baby?  Secondly “health” has been very loosely interpreted by pro-abortion activists so basically it is a meaningless boundary.
  • Education – Obama supports charter schools, but generally against school choice that is publicly run.  McCain is for school choice – vouchers for private schools, for charter schools and pro-home education.  As a home educator I stand with McCain here.

     

    Overall I think this was McCain’s best debate.  I’m not sure it will make an impact.  His strength is foreign policy and national security.  Right now the economy issue favors Obama though I think McCain’s tax policy & spending policy makes him better qualified to shepherd the nation’s economy.

13 comments
  1. No I don’t. He needed a game changer. This wasn’t it. He needed to move people from Obama’s camp to his, and I don’t think he did that. This is Obama’s election to lose.

  2. No I don’t. He needed a game changer. This wasn’t it. He needed to move people from Obama’s camp to his, and I don’t think he did that. This is Obama’s election to lose.

  3. “Money Quote: after Obama criticized a Bush policy Senator McCain said, “Senator Obama, I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush you should have run four years ago.”” (Shane)

    If I was running Obama’s campaign I would of said ‘I thought there was only one democrat in this election?’.

    Obama has to call McCain on his use of ‘crossing the isle’ and ‘distancing from Bush’ – it seems to me McCain doesn’t want to associated with the Republicans for some reason.

  4. “Money Quote: after Obama criticized a Bush policy Senator McCain said, “Senator Obama, I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush you should have run four years ago.”” (Shane)

    If I was running Obama’s campaign I would of said ‘I thought there was only one democrat in this election?’.

    Obama has to call McCain on his use of ‘crossing the isle’ and ‘distancing from Bush’ – it seems to me McCain doesn’t want to associated with the Republicans for some reason.

  5. Well he is a maverick, he’s always been. Politically he’s smart to put some distance between himself and President Bush.

    He’s more center-right so can’t really compare him to a Democrat. It’s typical in a general election for both parties to play to the “center”/independents.

  6. Well he is a maverick, he’s always been. Politically he’s smart to put some distance between himself and President Bush.

    He’s more center-right so can’t really compare him to a Democrat. It’s typical in a general election for both parties to play to the “center”/independents.

  7. “Best point of the night: goes to McCain – Obama’s solution to everything is to spend – he proposes $860 Billion in new spending.”

    “McCain gets into some specifics on reducing medical costs, and mentions $5000 tax credit for families ($2500 for individuals) – likely won’t be enough to help a family purchase their own healthcare outright, but will help.”

    Oh yeah – Obama is throwing the money on the problem – hello?

    “See how well socialized medicine has worked for Canada and England. “ (Shane)

    Actually, I like the system we have up here. If polled I bet the majority of Canadians would have it no other way – except for socialized health care. McCain is trying to make a point he knows nothing about – he’s never seen a system of socialized health care (and I am not sure he cares to).

    “Obama’s associations should have been brought up during first debate, but McCain was right to bring them up. Obama – “let’s not focus on associations, let’s look at the issues.” If the shoe were on the other foot I doubt he’d be saying that.” (Shane)

    Obama was correct to not want to focus on this – but when they did he did an admiral job placing the question into the correct context (and not into some outlandish conspiracy theory McCain thinks happened). In the end, Obama made it clear – let’s focus on the issues at hand – it was McCain always delving into this territory going away from actual policy to some tangent. Obama called him on it a few times.

    “Overall I think this was McCain’s best debate” (Shane)

    McCain is falling apart at the seams (if you ask me). All night it was an attack against Obama – then he cries about something someone said not connected to Obama’s campaign – meanwhile people in McCain rally’s have said ‘kill him’ and linked Obama to ‘terrorism’; some racial slurs about ‘Arabs’ – and McCain said he is proud of his supporters right after that? Obama even said at one point (maybe even prophetically) concerning his vice president – Joe Biden would make a great president ‘God forbid’ I die. McCain cannot do enough damage control after that.

    McCain the has to defend his vice president – and guess what her strengths are…economy? No. Housing? No. National Security? No. She cares about autism – and damned if they won’t find out what’s causing this in children…that’s almost laughable. McCain knows full well that lady is hurting his campaign but refuses to admit that. Obama tried to take the high road in almost every conversation – including this one question about the vice presidents – and what does McCain do – slams Obama and Biden…nice guy.

    I watched that whole debate and made sure I heard what each was saying – because I was beginning to think Obama wasn’t really a good candidate. After seeing that debate, McCain couldn’t hold a proverbial ‘candle’ to Obama – must of felt like Nixon in his debates with some no name upstart named Kennedy.

  8. “Best point of the night: goes to McCain – Obama’s solution to everything is to spend – he proposes $860 Billion in new spending.”

    “McCain gets into some specifics on reducing medical costs, and mentions $5000 tax credit for families ($2500 for individuals) – likely won’t be enough to help a family purchase their own healthcare outright, but will help.”

    Oh yeah – Obama is throwing the money on the problem – hello?

    “See how well socialized medicine has worked for Canada and England. “ (Shane)

    Actually, I like the system we have up here. If polled I bet the majority of Canadians would have it no other way – except for socialized health care. McCain is trying to make a point he knows nothing about – he’s never seen a system of socialized health care (and I am not sure he cares to).

    “Obama’s associations should have been brought up during first debate, but McCain was right to bring them up. Obama – “let’s not focus on associations, let’s look at the issues.” If the shoe were on the other foot I doubt he’d be saying that.” (Shane)

    Obama was correct to not want to focus on this – but when they did he did an admiral job placing the question into the correct context (and not into some outlandish conspiracy theory McCain thinks happened). In the end, Obama made it clear – let’s focus on the issues at hand – it was McCain always delving into this territory going away from actual policy to some tangent. Obama called him on it a few times.

    “Overall I think this was McCain’s best debate” (Shane)

    McCain is falling apart at the seams (if you ask me). All night it was an attack against Obama – then he cries about something someone said not connected to Obama’s campaign – meanwhile people in McCain rally’s have said ‘kill him’ and linked Obama to ‘terrorism’; some racial slurs about ‘Arabs’ – and McCain said he is proud of his supporters right after that? Obama even said at one point (maybe even prophetically) concerning his vice president – Joe Biden would make a great president ‘God forbid’ I die. McCain cannot do enough damage control after that.

    McCain the has to defend his vice president – and guess what her strengths are…economy? No. Housing? No. National Security? No. She cares about autism – and damned if they won’t find out what’s causing this in children…that’s almost laughable. McCain knows full well that lady is hurting his campaign but refuses to admit that. Obama tried to take the high road in almost every conversation – including this one question about the vice presidents – and what does McCain do – slams Obama and Biden…nice guy.

    I watched that whole debate and made sure I heard what each was saying – because I was beginning to think Obama wasn’t really a good candidate. After seeing that debate, McCain couldn’t hold a proverbial ‘candle’ to Obama – must of felt like Nixon in his debates with some no name upstart named Kennedy.

  9. Regarding government spending – tax credits are not the same thing as creating a program – you are talking way, way more money there.

    Regarding Canadian healthcare – I’m glad you like it. I’ve heard a bunch of horror stories about getting medical care from Canadians I know. I’m sure it’s good for basic care, but what about something serious – transplants, costly surgeries, etc?

    Why is it that many people from countries with socialized medicine come to the United States for medical care? Those are questions that I have, but I admit you are the expert since you live up there.

    Palin was good for shoring up his base, and there are many who do like her. You don’t get an accurate picture from MSM. Regarding those “slurs” that hasn’t been verified. All that is right now is a rumor.

    If true it is horrible, and he should denounce it. He has defended Obama in several instances. I can’t say that for Obama doing likewise for McCain or Palin.

    Really though nothing compares to the vitriol spouted on Daily Kos and other left wing websites.

    Also, associations are important and if the media were actually doing their job and not having an Obama lovefest some of this either would have come out already or proven wrong. It shouldn’t have to be part of a debate. Obama’s association with ACORN matters – they are likely going to face criminal charges for voting fraud. Also their involvement in the subprime mortgage mess. Not to mention how much money Obama has received from them, Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac. Also his association with William Ayers – what Obama said doesn’t jive with the record. Ayers is a domestic terrorist!

    That matters. I can guarantee you if McCain had associations like these the left would be all over him.

    Ultimately all Obama has been about is TALK. He has done NOTHING in the Senate. He’s been running for President pretty much the whole time he’s been there. He has no record that shows me he will do what he says he will do.

    McCain does. Rhetoric vs. record. Experience vs. inexperience.

    I’ll admit though this is Obama’s election to lose. This debate wasn’t a game changer – it didn’t change anybody’s mind.

  10. Regarding government spending – tax credits are not the same thing as creating a program – you are talking way, way more money there.

    Regarding Canadian healthcare – I’m glad you like it. I’ve heard a bunch of horror stories about getting medical care from Canadians I know. I’m sure it’s good for basic care, but what about something serious – transplants, costly surgeries, etc?

    Why is it that many people from countries with socialized medicine come to the United States for medical care? Those are questions that I have, but I admit you are the expert since you live up there.

    Palin was good for shoring up his base, and there are many who do like her. You don’t get an accurate picture from MSM. Regarding those “slurs” that hasn’t been verified. All that is right now is a rumor.

    If true it is horrible, and he should denounce it. He has defended Obama in several instances. I can’t say that for Obama doing likewise for McCain or Palin.

    Really though nothing compares to the vitriol spouted on Daily Kos and other left wing websites.

    Also, associations are important and if the media were actually doing their job and not having an Obama lovefest some of this either would have come out already or proven wrong. It shouldn’t have to be part of a debate. Obama’s association with ACORN matters – they are likely going to face criminal charges for voting fraud. Also their involvement in the subprime mortgage mess. Not to mention how much money Obama has received from them, Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac. Also his association with William Ayers – what Obama said doesn’t jive with the record. Ayers is a domestic terrorist!

    That matters. I can guarantee you if McCain had associations like these the left would be all over him.

    Ultimately all Obama has been about is TALK. He has done NOTHING in the Senate. He’s been running for President pretty much the whole time he’s been there. He has no record that shows me he will do what he says he will do.

    McCain does. Rhetoric vs. record. Experience vs. inexperience.

    I’ll admit though this is Obama’s election to lose. This debate wasn’t a game changer – it didn’t change anybody’s mind.

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