Ron-Paul-FFC-602x401At the risk of receiving the wrath of the Paulbots yet again, and yes you are a Paulbot if you come over here only to comment on negative Paul posts.  I have several friends and readers (and a contributor) who back Congressman Ron Paul, and at least they take the time to read all of our posts.  They are not Paulbots.  Some who commented brought up some legitimate points about Missouri.  Some helped to make my point, and demonstrated that one of Congressman Paul’s weak spots are his zealous supporters who can’t make reasonable arguments without insulting people.  I won’t say all of the bad behavior that happened on Saturday in Missouri was solely with the Ron Paul campaign, but much of the responsibility has to be laid at the feet of his strategy.   My title however illustrates, I believe, the central frustration supporters of other candidates have with his campaign.

For all of the talk of Ron Paul being better organized let me point out a simple fact that seems to be overlooked.  He is only well organized in very few caucus states and online.  If he were truly organized he’d win states, but he’s not.  So he’s chosen to go another route, and frankly looking back at the way he campaigned in Iowa (where he campaigned didn’t make sense) and how he’s campaigning lead me to believe that he was never really campaigning to win.

His strategy all along was to try to scoop up delegates in non-binding caucus states, as Paul staffer Jesse Benton pointed out:

Although Paul failed to win caucuses in states including Colorado, Iowa, Washington and Alaska, the process of awarding delegates in those states is not yet complete, leaving the door open for the Paul campaign.

Benton explained that while Paul hopes to win delegates in later primaries like California and Paul’s home state of Texas, the current focus is using Paul’s vast grass-roots network to pick up delegates during state conventions.

The Paul campaign is targeting the local meetings held in counties around the county that are part of the process of choosing national convention delegates, hoping to assure selection of Paul allies.

He’s pretty much left the campaign trail and has focused on these states.  Other candidates have not been able to focus on these states after the contests because they’re campaigning nationally in all of the caucuses and primaries.  They simply can’t organize to the extent that Paul has.  But historically they’ve never really had to before.

In Iowa the delegates have typically gone to the winner of the Iowa Caucus unless the winner was out by convention time.  I’m sure other states are the same.  What Congressman Paul is doing is well within the rules.  While they may be following the “letter of the law” they certainly are not following the spirit.  Santorum, Gingrich (well until last week anyway) and Romney have been running campaigns and are trying to win over voters.  Paul is taking a back door approach and is trying to run a coup winning delegates in nonbinding caucus states where he didn’t even finish in the top two, let alone win.

For what purpose?  The math doesn’t even support what he is doing.   He can not win the nomination there are not enough delegates to help him.  Some have suggested that he’s made a deal with Mitt Romney.  I don’t know if that is true or not.  The Paul campaign laughed that off saying they had no knowledge well, sorry if we can’t completely trust what you have to say based on past history.  Even if that is not the case the only person who benefits from this is Mitt Romney.  Is that what Paul supporters really want?  In either case?  I would hope not.  It does seem plausible based on Paul’s behavior.  He’s spent his time attacking Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum, but has left Mitt Romney, the author of RomneyCare alone.  Doesn’t that seem strange to you?

Regardless, this plan will backfire as Kevin Hall pointed out on Sunday.

The Ron Paul campaign failed. Money is running out and your delegate strategy bombed big time … Even if you won every single delegate from the non-binding caucus states like Iowa (which I guarantee you won’t come close to doing), you still lose big …

If we give you all 345 of those non-binding delegates (which we won’t), add them to your current whopping total of less than 30, factor in a few more you might pick up with your repeated poor finishes in the remaining contests, and Ron Paul will acquire, at most, 450 delegates … And that’s a very healthy overestimation … Reality is, Paul will be lucky to get 300 … And Ron Paul is no Leonidas.

So, all the crap you pulled at county conventions, for all your efforts to stack State Central Committees, all the nonsensical ramblings about the revolution taking over the RNC convention, they all mean nothing … Not only will Ron Paul not win, he will finish a very distant third or fourth … Dr. Paul might not even have a significant presence at the convention. There will be 2,286 delegates there and at least 1,836 oppose him … The Paulbots need to think about the future and Rand Paul’s presidential aspirations. That means dialing back the nonsense … A good retreat is better than a bad stand.

I totally agree.  By keeping up with this they only hurt their cause.  They may be playing by the rules, but it’s still sneaky and not the way to win a nomination or to get your position heard.  Win elections.  Win over people.  Don’t manipulate the system and try to throw a coup.  People want to see hard fought campaigns instead of a minority of people snagging delegates because they know the rules better.

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  1. Nice try with this factually incorrect article…There’s so many things that are incorrect that I won’t even bother to address them..I will say though, that Ron Paul is the boss, just get used to it..

    1. In other words you have no response, but you’re just going to bluster all the same.  Typical Paulbot.

  2. This is NOT a Democracy people and your “votes” are meaningless “straw votes”  Hint hint. and Ron Paul had nothing to do with any of this but he at least does understands this. Before the first meaningless vote was cast the pundits were talking about an open convention where no one has the votes to win on the first round of voting. Paul once again understands this. He also understood the Republican elites had rigged the process to give Romney a win and that no delegate vote could be controlled by the state they came from by the national rules.

    The delegates at the national convention are elected by the delegates of each state and not the voters. Ron Paul’s voters made sure to be there to be elected as the state delegates which then will choose the national convention delegates. It the Ron Paul delegates at the state level are 50% or more, then the delegates to the convention they will elect by voting will be 100% Ron Paul voters and he may out number all other delegates at the Tampa convention combined. If he doesn’t win Obama wins, because you lose all the Ron Paul people’s votes just like McCain did in 2008 and got slaughtered and the party is finished.

    1. half truths – many states have binding votes tied to Caucuses and Primairies-  and if so”meaningless” then why did Paul spend so much ont he Iowa Strawpoll last summer nd run so many expensive ads before the January and February votes?  Hardly seems the prudent thing to do for someone that is so careful about spending to waste so much money on “meaningless” votes.

  3. “Congressman Paul’s weak spots are his zealous supporters who can’t make reasonable arguments without insulting people.”

    I believe those kinds of supporters exist for every candidate; Paul’s supporters tend to have the largest internet presence and therefore are the most offensive online.

    “Paul is taking a back door approach and is trying to run a coup winning
    delegates in nonbinding caucus states where he didn’t even finish in the
    top two, let alone win.”

    This is the fault of the party, not Ron Paul. Any intelligent honest person would award delegates proportionally, so that the person who wins the most straw poll votes ends up with the most delegates. The GOP changed to the current system because they wanted more control over the nomination process, and it is that system (and not Paul) that is the problem.

    If republicans are bothered that Ron Paul is successfully obtaining delegates, then they need to complain to the GOP to have the rules changed. It is my personal opinion that Ron Paul has purposefully chosen to campaign this way in order to bring to light just how easily the system can be abused.

    “The Ron Paul campaign failed. Money is running out and your delegate strategy bombed big time …”

    Actually, Ron Paul’s campaign is nowhere near running out of money at $1.5 million in the bank with no debt (compare with Gingrich sitting below $70k after debt back at the end of January or Santorum at the same time sitting at $700k). Past super Tuesday he does not need to spend as rapidly, his appearance on Leno and upcoming money bomb will give him enough to ride to Tampa.

    “Ron Paul will acquire, at most, 450 delegates …”

    It will be interesting to see how the convention goes down. It’s almost certain that Romney will have the most delegates of any candidate, but it’s probable that he won’t have enough to wrap it up at the start.

    As soon as delegates become unbound, Romney is in an even worse position. He will bleed delegates to Paul, Gingrich, and Santorum, and right now I’m hesitant to believe that Paul or Santorum delegates will jump to Romney. At the same time, I don’t see Romney delegates jumping elsewhere either, unless a new contender is brought in and believed to be superior to the current options.

    “By keeping up with this they only hurt their cause. ”

    It only appears to really hurt the cause with folks who are pro-party, anti-democrat, and willing to compromise to oust Obama. The team-players. Some people are like that; some are not. In the end however, I think the most interesting bits of information are the following:

    – Statistics show that voters overwhelmingly vote the same way throughout their lives.
    – If only people under 35 were voting, Ron Paul would win the presidency by quite a margin.

    So how long does the GOP have before it has to adjust or face extinction?

  4. So if I support Paul and don’t comment on most of your articles my opinion is irrelevant? That’s the difference between an informed Paul supporter and a mindless robot? Epitome of arrogance.

    Also, to agree with someone who seems to be denying the reality of the situation (that a brokered convention where all delegates become unbound would help Paul) in an attempt to marginalize Paul shows you have horrible critical thinking skills.

  5. It’s a coup.  I can’t speak for the entire state, but my county and at least one of the surrounding counties the delegate elections have been pretty much taken over by Paul fans.  My understanding is that they have done this all over the country.  

    Be careful what you wish for.  A contested convention could very well give Ron Paul the nomination.  His campaign manager has said that is now the plan.  

    1. Now the plan- since his earlier plan to win traditionally failed so badly. Now we are Plan B or C- probably the worst plans to win the nomination since Rudy’s rope adope till Florida.  where did that get him? 

    2. It’s unfortunate that the honest struggle for control of the party has to include incendiary language like “coup”. It’s always been part of the game to get people into the party machinery. There are Republicans who would rather have a hollow party with half the committeeman slots unfilled (as we had four short years ago) than they be filled by the wrong kind of Republicans. I would not call those people good Republicans. They view the party as their personal club and those outside their circle as rubes good for writing checks and licking stamps. 

  6.  Paulbot is such an edgy word. You’re so edgy! Did you scour the web for a phrase as edgy and radical as Paulbot? How edgy of you!

  7. Hello Folks A message tothe Republican Party. Make this go viral ONLY Dr.Ron Paul 
    Pay attention Republican voters. 
    I am a Ron Paul supporter. This election season, no candidate will 
    get my vote for the Office of President of the United States of America 
    except for Ron Paul.There will be no exceptions. If he does not win the 
    nomination, I will write his name on the ballot. 
    No amount of slick talking, flip-flopping, wooing, cajoling, 
    threatening, or condescending will persuade me to vote for any other 
    contender for that office. 
    You don’t want to admit it, but you know that the Republican Party 
    cannot beat Obama without me, a Ron Paul supporter. It’s long past time 
    you admit it. 
    You and I have conflicting goals. I will only cast a vote for 
    liberty, for peace, for small government, for fiscal sanity and respect 
    for the Constitution of the United States and adherence to the oath of 
    office of the Presidency. You however are content merely to vote for 
    whatever Republican the GOP leadership and the media approve of. 
    I will not move. I cannot be persuaded. You cannot win without me. 

    I am not here to convince you that Ron Paul’s positions are superior. 
    I am not here to convince you that his foreign policy is in line with 
    traditional conservatism. I am not here to convince you that his 
    understanding of economics put everyone else in Washington to shame. I 
    am not even here to convince you that the positions of the other 
    candidates are not materially different than Obama. 
    No, I don’t need to do any of that. I only need to tell you that 
    without me, you have lost. If you do not vote for Ron Paul in your 
    Primary or Caucus, you are already defeated. If you fail to nominate Ron 
    Paul to be the Republican candidate for President, Barack Hussein Obama 
    will serve a second term. 
    This is not blackmail.This is not a threat. This is a simple statement of fact. 
    I stand firm and I will not accept anything less.Ron Paul 2012 
    ~If you agree with this post this on other sites and encourage others 
    to help make it go viral so the message is clear to the GOP.

    1. Thank you for your admission you and your candidate are in fact the ultimate RINOs.  You are Republicans in name only.  You never were Republicans nor have any plans on being in the future unless your candidate wins. He will not- He may sell you and your work and money down the tube to further Rand’s future. 
      Another simple statement of fact- We won elections for President without your support in past and can and will in the future. So stay home, start another party, go Libertarian – we really do not care. It is your choice but please leave the GOP alone.

      1. So Republicans stand for endless war we can’t pay for, 15 trillion in debt and climbing, agreeing with Obama on creating a police state (NDAA, Patriot Act, assassination of U.S. citizens,ect…)?  The corporate shills that took over the party do, but Republicans historically didn’t. And it shouldn’t even be about ‘party’ anyways. It should be about what is best for this country. Now, and in the next generation. All this party bickering is nonsense, and exactly what those in power want – a never ending distraction from real issues.

  8. Ron Paul is getting thousands to his rallies primarily for his pledge to bring the troops home, and to balance the budget. Santorum has pledged to “not cut one penny from the US Military” and Romney wants to make the US “great” by having the greatest military in the world. And Gingrich is all about “big visions” like setting up a moon base.  So I think if you want to find reasons why Ron Paul is forging ahead with his campaign, that’s it in a nutshell. Santorum’s proposal to cut the deficit is just the same old rhetoric about vote for me and the economy will take off. It’s is empty rhetoric because he does not have the courage to make deep spending cuts needed to balance the budget. Especially overseas spending. Same for Romney.

  9. Shane you must watch all the video footage of this meeting, Regardless of who you vote for or how you believe the delegate process should be sorted out. Roberts rules of order were completely ignored.

  10. The main point of your I will agree with is that a lot of Ron Paul supporters can be abrasive. But you left out one crucial aspect of this GOP election; that he is clearly running against the grain of the establishment republicans, bankers, the military industrial complex, the Israeli lobby, and the media. That is a very heavy tide to go against.

    Ron Paul is not breaking any rules, yet there is ample evidence that local GOP members are tampering with votes/elections and disenfranchising voters. See Maine, Missouri, Iowa, Nevada… The establishment GOP members do not want to lose any power to a bunch of Ron Paul supporters that want transparency and true freedom, as evidenced with Eugene Dokes (St. Charles County GOP chairman violating Robert’s Rules and blatantly ignoring the large majority of people calling for Brent Strafford to be the chairman of that delegation meeting.)

    The media mostly ignores or slanders him constantly mis-representing his ideals. Most of his platform revolves around ending the corrupt money flow from U.S. citizens to the bankers that run the Federal Reserve and to military contractors (which most of Congress has large investments in, and Executive Branch employees are/were board members or directors of).

    So given all of these realities, Ron Paul and his supporters are clearly fighting on an uneven/unfair plane. I believe ‘Peaceful Revolution’ is the correct label for his campaign.

  11. I’m sorry but I don’t believe they are playing by the rules.  They are taking advantage of unsuspecting caucus goers with dirty little tricks.  They try to change the rules behind closed doors to heavily favor their delegates in counties with a majority of Santorum supporters present at the caucus.  They exploit the fact that there are next to no rules, apart from Robert’s.  They lie to the other groups at the caucus and attempt to drive others away with hours of chanting and disruption.  They’re liberals in their activism and amoral in their willingness to justify the means by the end.  The people’s will is not of concern to their methods.

    Some claim they want to reform the Republican party but in reality they are a tremendous embarrassment to the party and any person concerned with ethical behavior.  Instead of growing interest in politics I believe they drive people away.

  12. “If only tax paying straight non drug using non racist voters over the age of 35 could vote”
    I did and I voted Ron Paul… but then I like most of the under 35’s put some consideration into what I voted for and listened to the facts rather than the propaganda.

    The problem is the people who have been bought off with government jobs and government handouts who only think of themselves and maintaining their government funded lifestyle.

  13. Using Robert’s Rules of Order correctly is not considered a dirty trick, and the only people who say it is are those who are trying to break those rules.

    I want an honest election more than I want Paul to win.  If Paul loses and the rules are followed, that’s what we signed up for, folks.

    Read up on how Abraham Lincoln got the nomination *at the convention* and let me know your thoughts.  Those were dirty tricks.  Imagine if with even that small amount of *legitimate* support going into the convention, from Paul supporters, what the outcome could be.

    I don’t disagree with several of your points.  But you can’t claim that Paul supporters can’t make a reasoned argument without being insulting, while doing the very same thing.. You use the term “paulbot” three times (twice in the first sentence) and then quote someone in your main opposition quote who also uses the term.
    I won’t be insulting (or at least I’ll try not to), but your post was almost objective, but not quite (and it could’ve been if you’d left out the baiting and name calling).

  14. wow… I cant believe this. Shane is an absolute dipsh** or works for the very same dirtbags robbing Ron Paul … here is a little insight as to who is actually counting these votes…

    1. Eddie, if you are truly a Ron Paul supporter, you just did the cause more harm than good.  I know you did not start the name-calling, but what are you trying to accomplish here?

      Did you read Shane’s bio?  Given all the misinformation out there, perhaps his other passions and commitments have not afforded him the time to sift through all the lies.  I hope you will consider apologizing for your rude behavior?  

      If you are not a Ron Paul supporter, but just trying to make us look bad, I hope that you will consider just how petty your life has become. 

  15. Thank you Shane for sharing these thoughts.  I see you have already acknowledged one of the many false and/or misleading statements in your article in your post on 3/21. I applaud you for that.  I have not yet read that article(I will), but it gives me hope that you are open to learning more about the true standing of the delegate count, the blatant and in-your-face voter fraud that has occured in state after state(missing ballots, secret counts in undisclosed location, whole precincts and counties with zero vote totals even though dozens or hundreds cast votes, etc, etc, etc.)

     Be aware that I am a supporter of Ron Paul and the intellectual awakening that is taking place in America.  You call me a Paulbot in an obviously derogatory fashion.  I accept that in the same way that I have accepted being called a ‘Jesus freak’ because I am enthusiastic about Jesus Christ and the ultimate gospel of liberty.  I will not apologize for seeking out information on subjects that interest me. I am sorry that you are offended by our passion, but every so often an idea comes along that ignites a fire in the human heart.

    Shane, I would like to suggest something that some might find offensive. I hope that you and others will take this in the spirit offered and in the way Solomon would advise you receive it.  I believe the problem that many conservatives have with Ron Paul,the freedom message and his irate, tireless minority is ENVY. Even as the light of Christ’s gospel exposed the deeply held religious system of the Pharisees and Saducees as counterfeit, Ron Paul’s message exposes clearly how radically different modern conservatism is from Constitutional wisdom.  And who is this Ron Paul who thinks he can speak truth to power?

     Consider how silly it is to criticize Ron Paul supporters for paying the price that others could pay if they did not rely on powerful special interests to pay the bills and grease the skids.  Do you think we have nothing better to do than spend our free time on weekends engaging in a process stacked against us and generally run by officials who will break their own rules to thwart us?  Do you think that we have nothing else to spend our money on?  Do you imagine that we do not realize that others are offended by our zeal?

    Liberty is always an underdog.  Whether it is David running toward Goliath, Moses standing before Pharoah, Jesus Christ in the tomb, George Washington and his shoeless, starving army at Valley Forge or Dr.Paul and his band of misfits taking on the military- medical-media- industrial complex, the odds never look good.  That never matters to those who believe.

    1. That was beautifully spoken. Literally brought a few tears to my eyes.

      I think even the most fervent Paul supporters know that him winning this election is an extreme longshot. It will not stop me from voting by my principles though. And this election doesn’t have to be won by him for his ideals to continue to spread like wildfire throughout the nation, and the world. We will continue to fight for constitutional liberty, even if he loses. We will not put our heads in the sand, retreat, and dial back on the nonsense. We will keep moving forward.

  16. Vote for Ron Paul.  Find out why we are really at war, the Project for the New American Century is a think-tank which promotes: diplomatic, economic, and military engagement IN THE WORLD! Iraq was all lies, Iran and KONY are ALL war propaganda. The media has a war to sell you and some candidates who support it, are you buying it?  I will NOT vote for anyone who supports war.  I AM voting for Ron Paul.

  17. Thanks Shane, its always good to hear opinions from different angles.  While I appreciate your right to express your opinion, I disagree with it. I think the problem is that most people in the media, including yourself (based on this article) believe that Ron Paul is trying to win the GOP, and if he doesn’t he will either go away, or join Mitt Romney.  

    Lets first address the Mitt Romney scenario.  Ron Paul may join forces with Mitt Romney (very unlikely), but his supporters are not going to join as well.  See, people who are supporting Ron Paul are supporting principles, not parties.  I believe, based on what the media is reporting, that the GOP believes that supporters (delegates included) will roll over and support whichever candidate wins the nomination.  This will not happen, I can pretty much guarantee that.  Anyone who does believe that will happen is very out of touch with the movement that Ron Paul is currently heading.  

    So now lets address the former, that Ron Paul will just go away when he loses the GOP nomination.  While a lot of people who are staunch party supporters – sheeple as we like to call them – would like to believe this, it will not happen.  In 2008 Ron Paul ran as an independent and had no chance because of the way our political system is set up.  If you are not the democrat or the republican candidate, the media is instructed to ignore you.  You are not allowed to be involved in any of the debates aired in prime time that all the sheeple watch, and hence your positions are pretty much kept silent.  This year, when Ron Paul looses the GOP he will have gained two very valuable things.  

    1: He will have divided the GOP in such a way that he will take republican voters who support him (there are a significant amount – and not all are “Paulbots”).  By doing this we will have weakened the republican party in a way that it will be more impossible than it already is for that candidate to beat Obama.  

    2: After RNC in Tampa this year, Ron Paul will declare that he is switching his candidacy to an independent campaign.  By waiting this long to do so he will have already used the system for what it was intended not to do (allow a third candidate exposure on a national scale), gotten a lot of attention, and started the momentum he needs to gain all the young voters support.  Just like in 2008 when Obama won because of the young vote, Ron Paul will take down Obama in the same way.  And this will happen because the young voters will not vote for two people, Barrack Obama, and Mitt Romney.  But there will be a very viable third choice this year, and he is the only one who has the ability to beat Obama, his name you already know.

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